460 DA Owners Thread

Ha! Welcome to the club... I have to lay on my back and reach through the access panel. If you take out the stereo it's much easier to get to that side. No magic trick that I know of. I am dreading the amp change out I have put off.


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Can you guys tell me what anchor set up you have and how it works?


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I have a Fortress FX-37. My next door neighbor has a 2001 460DA with a factory plow anchor that he hates. It just wouldn't stay set on our shallow sandy bottom. He switched to a Fortress and his problems were solved. While I suspect the problems he had with the plow are a result of his anchoring method or technique, I do know that a Fortress on a san bottom holds like it is fastened to the backbone of the earth.
 
NotHerDecision said:
Can you guys tell me what anchor set up you have and how it works?


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WowJosh,
You're going to have replaced everything on your boat except the windshield ... you're not going to replace the windshield are you?
 
Thanks Frank. When you went to the fortress, did you have to do anything to the bow roller? Also it looks like the fx37 or 55 would work so what's your thoughts? I am thinking 90ft of chain then rode.

All's Well... well it all started with this idea to buy a "perfect" boat... really I feel I got a very fair deal on this boat and I want to bring it up to date. I have anchored out 3 times and the anchor drags every time. Now, it probably is somewhat my technique but we have all mud bottom here and my anchor looks like crap too. I love the look of stainless but Holy cow I could buy a car for the same price!


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I may have made a pretty costly mistake. I need help. So I replaced all the hoses on my 10bdta westerbeke generator, replaced the alternator and of course all new clamps. I also put in a new westerbeke thermostat. I got it all cleaned up and topped it off with 3/4 gallon of Cummins ES coolent and started it up. First I checked for water flow out the exhaust, check, then I looked for any leaks, none noted, then I checked the alternator was charging, fail... oops I forgot to put the wires on it. I shutdown the engine and installed the alternator wires. Okay so I started again, this time I knew the thermostat needed to open so I had the wife watch the gauge and I was below. I. It cited the water pump housing looked like it was smoking so I assumed I had a little leak but she started yelling at me telling me it was close to 200 degrees. I immediately shut it down but it continued to climb up to about 240.

I guess I have a couple questions. 1. Did I just destroy this engine? 2. What now?

Thanks and I am super bummed


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You are probably ok. Check the oil dipstick for signs of water, if none I would verify the impeller condition. I have an Onan in my boat that will auto shut down if an overheat condition occurs. I would bet the Westerbeke has the same feature. If so you shut it down before that happened. Is it possible to put the thermostat in upside down? Also if the raw water pump is leaking I would replace it. Check the belt and coolant pump for condition.
 
Thanks for the reply. Here is an update. Obviously I was a nervous wreck so I stayed up until 1am working on it.

After the above, I let it cool for an hour, removed the thermostat and tested it in a pan of water with a food thermometer, it passed. Then I removed the fresh water pump to check it out. It's still spinning freely by hand but it does have some noise which I am assuming is bearing noise. I reinstalled everything and topped off the coolent and decided to try again. It started and as it warmed up it took about a gallon of coolent, this makes me think it may have had air in the system the first time around because I don't think I lost an entire gallon but who knows... anyway, after it was full I replaced the radiator cap and let it run for 15 mins and it held 181 or so based on my super accurate Searay teleflex gauge (haha).

So... now my plan is this, I'm going to replace the fresh water pump but holy cow, that little thing is 400 bucks!

If anyone has a spare I'm interested.

The oil doesn't have any water in it and I did change the raw water impeller as well.

This was the most nerve racking experience I've had so far, I'm super cautious and typically don't have these types of issues but I thought I had toasted the genny! Hopefully I can help someone out there avoid the same thing in the future.


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Sounds very much like you had a build up of air in the engine cooling system first time round.

Don't think I would worry too much, these are a pretty robust little engine, just keep an eye on everything for the next few hours use.

To be sure, when you have the time, unplug from the shore power and run for 3 - 4 hours with the generator running all systems on the boat, that way you will be certain all is good and it will not curtail your next trip out.

Graham
 
Thanks Graham. I'll do that today.


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What is everyone's max fuel range fully loaded? I'm trying to plan a trip and based on my fuel consumption the max I may get before needing to re-fuel is 150 miles.
Based on cruising at 2,300 rpm's I consuming a gallon per mile. I was hoping to get a better fuel consumption than that, my plan was to pass through Panama City and
jump across to Clearwater. Based on those numbers it's not possible unfortunately.
 
Almost everyone who makes the crossing in a boat with short legs goes to Apalachicola or Carrabelle, tops off the tanks, then anchors behind Dog Island for the nigh, and then departs early the next morning for the crossing. That cuts your open water crossing down by about 3 hours. I have made Clearwater to Panama City in 8 hours in a Sportfisherman with huge tanks, but you are correct, a 460DA does not have the range to do it without refueling.

Besides refueling, this is a fun area to visit. An afternoon in Apalachicola will have you planning a return trip. The best fuel spot in Apalach. is Scipio Creek Marina and there is a restaurant on the premises.
 
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What is everyone's max fuel range fully loaded? I'm trying to plan a trip and based on my fuel consumption the max I may get before needing to re-fuel is 150 miles.
Based on cruising at 2,300 rpm's I consuming a gallon per mile. I was hoping to get a better fuel consumption than that, my plan was to pass through Panama City and
jump across to Clearwater. Based on those numbers it's not possible unfortunately.
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That's pretty good mileage! Loaded I have been getting .80 mpg. With 400 Gallons assuming 380 usable you should be able to go an easy 250 with 1 mile per gallon.
 
I made the trip from johns pass in st Pete Fl to Pensacola without any issues at all at then end of Sept.... but... BIG BUT... I ran 8 knots. Averaged 1.3mpg on the trip. When I say I ran 8 knots I don't mean part of the time either but the entire trip. If I remember correctly 39 hours but what an amazing time.

Just depends on your style but taking it slow was frustrating at first but as time went innit was very relaxing and enjoyable.

Josh


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Out of curiosity,What is the distance?

GOOD FOR NOW said:
What is everyone's max fuel range fully loaded? I'm trying to plan a trip and based on my fuel consumption the max I may get before needing to re-fuel is 150 miles.
Based on cruising at 2,300 rpm's I consuming a gallon per mile. I was hoping to get a better fuel consumption than that, my plan was to pass through Panama City and
jump across to Clearwater. Based on those numbers it's not possible unfortunately.
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The last 460 I ran down that way we refueled at Apalachiola and left at the break of sunrise, the gulf was dead flat and we made Clearwater with plenty of daylight left. Just beware of crab traps approaching Clearwater inlet should you choose to enter there.

I've gone from Apalachicola to Fort Myers in Gulf Harbor with some daylight left in November on a Zeus powered 48 Sabre with 600 Cummins in a hair over 9 hours but we can run 28 knots in that boat burning 38 gph.
 
If it's any help, I've checked some of my voyage logs and we have traveled anywhere between 185 and 239 statute miles on one fill. The Tridata reading is a bit optimistic but you should be able to get at least 200 miles in good conditions. I have a couple of sets of props that I have scanned and the current set 23 X 25 heavy cup, would give me good range with a speed of 20-21 knots at 2325 rpm but rising as fuel load burns off. Generally I get fuel consumption in the neighborhood of 30 gph.
So, is that distance possible? It probably is if everything works in your favor, but you probably have little room for error.
 
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Does anyone know what kind of underwater zincs for a 2001 460 DA?

It's about time to get the diver over and I think this one will want me to have the zincs there for him (as opposed to bringing them himself).

I had the zincs changed in the yard but it's not showing what kind they were on the invoice. From what I recall there was a plate-type at the transom and additional zincs on the trim tabs, or maybe it was the rudders- I'll have to get out my pics from the haul out to check.

Thanks-

Cheryl
 
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Cheryl. I am on the road at the moment but there is a plate zinc at the rear, 2 disc type on the tabs. And I have 2" on my shafts. Nothing on the rudders. The part number for the plate one is in the parts manual if you have access to it.


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