1400 sunken boats in Barnegat Bay

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unbelievable......I better invest in a couple of sacrificial aluminum props for the 2013 season.

TOMS RIVER — Memorial Day weekend, maybe.That’s the target date Ocean County Freeholder Director John P. Kelly has set to get 1,400 boats, pieces of 58 houses and at least eight motor vehicles out of Barnegat Bay. The vehicles and debris were washed into the bay during superstorm Sandy. Kelly said his first order as the new director of the five-member Republican board was to have Ocean County Administrator Carl W. Block set up a conference call with Commissioner Bob Martin of the state Department of Environmental Protection on the issue. The freeholder director said he was thrilled to hear that Gov. Chris Christie make dredging Barnegat Bay a top priority in his State of the State address Tuesday.

“Memorial Day is a target, but we all understand and recognize the limitations of the size of the bay and getting the entire job done,” Kelly said. “That is, the state has the same desire as this county in having that bay clean by Memorial Day weekend. I think all of us have to be at least understanding that the job may not be completed by Memorial Day. But if not, it will be well under way. There can be no promises.”
Kelly said the DEP commissioner did not share with him how the state planned to dredge such a large body of water in four months, but that Martin had asked for the county government’s cooperation in helping set priorities and communicating with its municipalities. The Army Corps of Engineers would handle the inlets, Kelly said. Once a plan is in place, Kelly wants the DEP to send staff members to a freeholder meeting to brief county officials.

Both Toms River Mayor Thomas F. Kelaher and Lavallette Mayor Walter G. LaCicero have complained that the bay seems more prone to flooding even in routine storms since the Oct. 29 super-storm that devastated the Jersey Shore.

Both Kelaher and LaCicero have cited scientific theories that either debris or large amounts of earth slid into the bay during Sandy, decreasing the volume of water the bay can hold.Consumer confidence in Barnegat Bay is also an issue. Local dealers at last week’s New York Boat Show got alarming questions from customers who have an impression the bay is trashed beyond use.

Freeholder Joseph H. Vicari said at Wednesday’s meeting that there are 275 marinas in Ocean County that are dependent on the summer tourism season.
 
Wow! Hard to believe the destruction that beeeotch left in her wake.
 
Damn!! That's going to be a tall order. Best of luck to our Jersey brothers!!


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It took a long time after Ivan in Alabame to get it cleaned up. About two years for it all to be gone
 
There are not 1400 in bay they are most back on west side of bay by tree line. In bay alot of docks trees sand up near Mantoloking and Silver bay will be 1 mph area this summer it is loaded with who knows what. Mansquian has no gas docks out in river some where. The ditch along Bayhead is filled in with sand and cars construction debree.
 
I fear an occasional log or branch in our lake. I cannot imagine cars, houses and boats! And how long it will take for all of that crap to wash back up on shore or be "found".
Wish you guys luck.
 
Based on the number of sunken boats after the three storms of the 2004 hurricane season here that estimate seems wildly optimistic. Based on our experience I would think that 2016 seems more likely. I hope that Mayors Kelahar and LaCicero have reason to think differently.
 
perhaps they will be employing a bunch of mr obamas friends that are unemployed.
 
There are not 1400 in bay they are most back on west side of bay by tree line. In bay alot of docks trees sand up near Mantoloking and Silver bay will be 1 mph area this summer it is loaded with who knows what. Mansquian has no gas docks out in river some where. The ditch along Bayhead is filled in with sand and cars construction debree.

Is that english?:huh:
 
Is the water clear enough that they are clearly visible from the area and can be marked in some way that salvage vessels can locate and raise them? I suppose some may be covered with sand and mud, but is the water pretty clear in that part of the world?
 
Is the water clear enough that they are clearly visible from the area and can be marked in some way that salvage vessels can locate and raise them? I suppose some may be covered with sand and mud, but is the water pretty clear in that part of the world?

Viz is about 12" in these parts of the bay and adjacent rivers. In the parts where there's clear sand on the bottom the viz can be couple of feet.

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There at least twice as many llosts jet skis & boats in the the woods, roads, tied to other peoples docks. Not to mentiont he jet ports, robo garbage cans and plastic containers. I have also noticed the water seems clearer than normal...

Living here, I agree that tax payers should not have to pay for individuals or businesses that were not insured or under insured. I don't like Gov managed anything, especialy flood insurance...

As far as dredging the bay... I lived here amost 50 years, and there has never been any dredging that I know of where I boat. I don't see how the dredging would stop any flooding. Building up the barrier island may help.


What I would rather see the gov spen money on is supporting the building of off shore Natural Gas platforms and islands to load LNG ships. There is a lot of NG off the coast of Jersey, and what we need in the US is jobs, not hand outs. Dredging a bay for recreational boaters, not comercial traffic doesn't make sense to me...
 
There at least twice as many llosts jet skis & boats in the the woods, roads, tied to other peoples docks. Not to mentiont he jet ports, robo garbage cans and plastic containers. I have also noticed the water seems clearer than normal...

Living here, I agree that tax payers should not have to pay for individuals or businesses that were not insured or under insured. I don't like Gov managed anything, especialy flood insurance...

As far as dredging the bay... I lived here amost 50 years, and there has never been any dredging that I know of where I boat. I don't see how the dredging would stop any flooding. Building up the barrier island may help.


What I would rather see the gov spen money on is supporting the building of off shore Natural Gas platforms and islands to load LNG ships. There is a lot of NG off the coast of Jersey, and what we need in the US is jobs, not hand outs. Dredging a bay for recreational boaters, not comercial traffic doesn't make sense to me...
would dredging the bay TO build up the barrier islands not be a good plan ?? seems to make sense to me :huh:
bay deeper and islands taller ...
 
would dredging the bay TO build up the barrier islands not be a good plan ?? seems to make sense to me :huh:
bay deeper and islands taller ...

The transportation of the dredge spoils to the beach would be costly, plus the bay dredge spoils are not clean enough to use for a beach. The typical process, where they have dredged in the lowere barnegat, is to build islands in the bay for migrant bird nesting.

The beach reconstruction is dredged from the ocean floor and pumped on the beach. The problem is the beach is continually changing and the replenishment of the beach is sometimes short lived. It is expesive to continually rebuild the beach, and its your tax dollars are work...

Commercial oil and gas platforms and man made islands off shore will do more to protect the beach, while providing need jobs, and lost cost NG...
 
As far as locating the sunken boats I'd be willing to bet on a sunny day at high noon you could spot most, if not all of them from a helicopter.

Concerning offshore oil platforms protecting the beach I would disagree. I used to live in Texas and been to the beach in Galveston, which has tons of offshore drilling, quite a few times. You learn real quickly to coat your bare feet with Vaseline before you walk in or close to the water. The reason is crude oil balls (or tar balls as they are referred to down there) will stick to your skin but not to the Vaseline.
Before I get labeled a bleeding heart tree hugger let me say that I completely understand the need for oil drilling and like a true American I want the drilling done in your back yard not mine.

I'm hoping they at least get the Barnegat Bay channel navigable if so the 2013 season may be salvaged. I'm surprised I have not heard or seen anything about the pollution. If there are indeed 1400 boats down there multiply that by a half tank of gas and motor oil each one has on-board that seems substantial to me, but maybe it's only a drop in the bucket in comparison.
 
...I'm surprised I have not heard or seen anything about the pollution. If there are indeed 1400 boats down there multiply that by a half tank of gas and motor oil each one has on-board that seems substantial to me, but maybe it's only a drop in the bucket in comparison.

Excellent point. I guess they just don't want to "add oil in a fire" and scare people away from the shore. It is pretty ugly based on what info was available, imagine if the news will say your waters are now polluted with oil and gas from 1400 boats?
 
Alex your location states Toms River, have you heard any talk around the area about how 'Sanded' in Tices Shoal has become, if at all? I've got a feeling that this season will be most making a beeline from my Marina to Tices and back hoping along the way I don't hit a Buick, Amana side by side or a waterlogged Seal Posturepedic.
 
I plan on going slow this summer, especially early.... We can run a thread to post where we spot debris.

No matter what is done, between now and the summer, we are all going to have to be very causious.

Regarding the crude ball, there is Natural Gas fo the coast of NJ, not much crude, so less of an environmental impact. My point is with regard to where is the best place to spend the $60B to rebuild the shore?... What good is to have a boardwalk if no one has job?
 

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