500/520 DB official thread

In regards to your first question I like to leave my Garmin on but like stated they both end up staying on. Recently tried putting it in sleep mode. By doing this I'm able to wake the screens with the grid 20 which I have down in the salon. I ran an HDMI to my salon tv so i can view and control one of my Garmin's from there. This is a new setup from this winter that I've only used once but so far so good.

Thanks, yeah I can’t figure out how to get one Garmin display to turn off at anchor without the other turning off as well.

We do like to display the Garmin on our TV in the Salon while at anchor so we can monitor the anchor alarm, etc. pretty cool feature.

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Does anyone know where I might be able to purchase a replacement glass/ceramic light cover for the forward stateroom?

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Anyone interested in these?

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Just ordered new ones from Gioia.
Tim
 
Generator Fuel questions -
On my boat the generator's fuel switching is from separate feed and return valves in the hatch by the transom door.
I've been having issues with the generator running on the starboard fuel tank - it will run then in about two minutes shut down. I finally surmised that there was air in that long fuel feed line and after several racor fillings after shutdown it would stay running. However, when the boat is running especially in rough seas it would again shut down; fuel tanks were full or over 3/4's full. Switching to the port tank no issues at all.... I'm baffled on this and almost ready to change the switching valves and hoses. I hope it is not the syphon tube in the fuel tank which is under the entertainment cabinet and impossible to access without tearing that cabinet out.
Anyone have similar issues? If so, what was the fix in your case?
Thanks
Tom
 
I have the EXACT same problem. If I switch to starboard, she shuts down. Back to port works fine. I just leave it on port now.
 
I have the EXACT same problem. If I switch to starboard, she shuts down. Back to port works fine. I just leave it on port now.
I would but after three days with the generator running on the port tank (24/7) we had to fuel up even though the starboard tank was still over half full. I need to get it sorted out for the long trips planned.
 
I would but after three days with the generator running on the port tank (24/7) we had to fuel up even though the starboard tank was still over half full. I need to get it sorted out for the long trips planned.
Could be a small leak in the port fuel line somewhere that introduced air into the lines. I have not had that issue on my boat.
 
Generator Fuel questions -
On my boat the generator's fuel switching is from separate feed and return valves in the hatch by the transom door.
I've been having issues with the generator running on the starboard fuel tank - it will run then in about two minutes shut down. I finally surmised that there was air in that long fuel feed line and after several racor fillings after shutdown it would stay running. However, when the boat is running especially in rough seas it would again shut down; fuel tanks were full or over 3/4's full. Switching to the port tank no issues at all.... I'm baffled on this and almost ready to change the switching valves and hoses. I hope it is not the syphon tube in the fuel tank which is under the entertainment cabinet and impossible to access without tearing that cabinet out.
Anyone have similar issues? If so, what was the fix in your case?
Thanks
Tom

Mine is the same.

Tim
 
I would but after three days with the generator running on the port tank (24/7) we had to fuel up even though the starboard tank was still over half full. I need to get it sorted out for the long trips planned.


Generator Fuel questions -
On my boat the generator's fuel switching is from separate feed and return valves in the hatch by the transom door.
I've been having issues with the generator running on the starboard fuel tank - it will run then in about two minutes shut down. I finally surmised that there was air in that long fuel feed line and after several racor fillings after shutdown it would stay running. However, when the boat is running especially in rough seas it would again shut down; fuel tanks were full or over 3/4's full. Switching to the port tank no issues at all.... I'm baffled on this and almost ready to change the switching valves and hoses. I hope it is not the syphon tube in the fuel tank which is under the entertainment cabinet and impossible to access without tearing that cabinet out.
Anyone have similar issues? If so, what was the fix in your case?
Thanks
Tom
Generator Fuel questions -
On my boat the generator's fuel switching is from separate feed and return valves in the hatch by the transom door.
I've been having issues with the generator running on the starboard fuel tank - it will run then in about two minutes shut down. I finally surmised that there was air in that long fuel feed line and after several racor fillings after shutdown it would stay running. However, when the boat is running especially in rough seas it would again shut down; fuel tanks were full or over 3/4's full. Switching to the port tank no issues at all.... I'm baffled on this and almost ready to change the switching valves and hoses. I hope it is not the syphon tube in the fuel tank which is under the entertainment cabinet and impossible to access without tearing that cabinet out.
Anyone have similar issues? If so, what was the fix in your case?
Thanks
Tom

I never had that issue but have a few thoughts but I’m sure you already thought of these.

1. Since the Starboard fuel line is longer, wondering if fuel pump is weak and that little bit of extra length is causing fuel supply issue.
2. If air is continually getting in the supply fuel line, and no fuel in engine room , possibly hole in the top of the siphon tube? Or symphony tube clogged and restricted at pick up.
3. Would it make sense to swap the fuel supply lines on the fuel tank selection valves?
4. Before removal of the entire entertainment cabinet, is it worth removing port fuel line, add an extension fuel line and connect to the starboard tank? That might determine if it’s the siphon tube.
 
I never had that issue but have a few thoughts but I’m sure you already thought of these.

1. Since the Starboard fuel line is longer, wondering if fuel pump is weak and that little bit of extra length is causing fuel supply issue.
2. If air is continually getting in the supply fuel line, and no fuel in engine room , possibly hole in the top of the siphon tube? Or symphony tube clogged and restricted at pick up.
3. Would it make sense to swap the fuel supply lines on the fuel tank selection valves?
4. Before removal of the entire entertainment cabinet, is it worth removing port fuel line, add an extension fuel line and connect to the starboard tank? That might determine if it’s the siphon tube.
1. The Onan MDBKN Generator has a lift pump but can it maintain net pump suction pressure on such a long line?? Good question. On the other side of the equation the injection pump is quite robust and delivers quite a lot of fuel back to the tank and when the fuel tank is full the filter and generator's fuel system is lower than the tank level so there should always be fuel there due to the syphon effect.
2. That is what I thought so I was going to install some clear tubing in the fuel line to see if any bubbles were passing. But, I got the thing running great on the starboard tank after a couple of racor manual fills after the shutdowns. Thought it was fixed until it started shutting down when the boat was moving. That's when I gave up.
3. I'm also thinking about swapping the fuel valve lines to see if it is a problem with the valve. There is plenty slack to do that. I disconnected that tank's line from the fuel valve and blew into it; there were no obstructions apparent and I could easily hear bubbling in the tank. I love the taste of diesel in the morning.
4. Great idea! I was going to plug and pressurize the starboard line to see if it would hold pressure. Getting to and disconnecting the hoses from the tanks isn't too bad of a job. At least I could see and reach them.
Thanks Steve!
 
What exactly does the return line do?
Most diesel engines circulate fuel from and back to the fuel tank. The fuel is a coolant and lubricant. Plus for gear-rotor positive displacement injection pumps the fuel cannot be "deadheaded". On our generators which are mechanical injection the fuel cools the injectors then the excess that is not injected into the cylinders is returned to the tank.. On the QSM11's the fuel not only cools the injectors but also the engine control computer then routed to a fuel cooler and back to the tank.
 
i chased what i thought was air in the fuel line and was told the line could have actually collapsed inside just a thought
That was my thinking also but that wouldn't introduce air into the system and draw down the fuel level in the racor filter right? I'll inspect all of the lines and if any question replace. I also thought maybe a hose end fitting was liking air - but I got the thing running great on the starboard tank until I ran the boat...
 
Most diesel engines circulate fuel from and back to the fuel tank. The fuel is a coolant and lubricant. Plus for gear-rotor positive displacement injection pumps the fuel cannot be "deadheaded". On our generators which are mechanical injection the fuel cools the injectors then the excess that is not injected into the cylinders is returned to the tank.. On the QSM11's the fuel not only cools the injectors but also the engine control computer then routed to a fuel cooler and back to the tank.

Does it make sense to have the starboard return to the port tank then? That way it would help "even out" things.

Tim
 
4. Before removal of the entire entertainment cabinet, is it worth removing port fuel line, add an extension fuel line and connect to the starboard tank? That might determine if it’s the siphon tube.

Why would you have to take out the entertainment cabinet?
 
Does it make sense to have the starboard return to the port tank then? That way it would help "even out" things.

Tim
The idea of separate feed and return valves on the generator fuel circuit is exactly that - so you can transfer fuel between fuel tanks. Our generators move a lot of fuel. There are no valves for the main engines other than the tank engine feed isolation valves and valves on the racor filters. You cannot transfer fuel using the main engines on our 500DB's. Consequently, the generator fuel circuit is used to transfer. So, in order to transfer fuel from the starboard tank to the port tank the generator would have to reliability run off the starboard tank which in my case it does not.
 
Why would you have to take out the entertainment cabinet?
The dip/siphon tube in the starboard fuel tank is right under that cabinet and to pull it out first the cabinet needs to be removed then a hole cut in the floor into the engine room. There is only about 5 or 6 inches above the tank so I can't see any way to pull the tube out other than through the floor.
 
The dip/siphon tube in the starboard fuel tank is right under that cabinet and to pull it out first the cabinet needs to be removed then a hole cut in the floor into the engine room. There is only about 5 or 6 inches above the tank so I can't see any way to pull the tube out other than through the floor.
Holy f@%k...that sounds like a nightmare. I took mine out years ago to run the pyrometers from the ER to the bridge. But I just slid it to the side without disconnecting the myriad of shit in there.
 

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