Ukraine, Taiwan

It’s happening. There’s no deterrent and Brandon is already planning post-invasion “diplomacy”.

What’s next? Israel?

What an embarrassment this POTUS is for all nation loving Americans.

Biden has his hands fool with whats going on. Bad news these guys are not pussy footin around. In my opinion he is in over his head big time. No doubt America is in trouble, If Russia makes a move and then China its going to be game on without a strong leader. I would like for the folks that voted for JB to see the end result. But in reality I hope that never happens.
However it may wake folks up.

He’s sent 8500 troops and fighter jets. WTF for? That’s like bringing a knife to a gun fight. Nobody but Ukraine is fighting this looming war.

I thought you all backed Trump's plan to get the US out of all foreign conflicts. But now you want the US to dive in again? Make up your mind. Anyway, I am sure that Brandon will be getting advice from the people that really know WTF is going on, and I don't mean any of the politicians or any of us on CSR. I mean the US military and the CIA. The POTUS ultimately makes the calls, but only an idiot POTUS would make a call on his own.

Creekwood said:

I thought you all backed Trump's plan to get the US out of all foreign conflicts. But now you want the US to dive in again? Make up your mind. Anyway, I am sure that Brandon will be getting advice from the people that really know WTF is going on, and I don't mean any of the politicians or any of us on CSR. I mean the US military and the CIA. The POTUS ultimately makes the calls, but only an idiot POTUS would make a call on his own.

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Indeed. Kinda like his advisors on Afghanistan.

Yeah, like the military had all the "straight dope" on weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

As a veteran I am not in favor of us getting involved in any conflict. I lost too many good friends in SE Asia in a meaningless war. The real issue is the NATO countries that border Ukraine are saying nothing. I have zero confidence in any of the NATO countries that they would be willing to put their countries' armed forces in harm's way. So why should we give up our sons and daughters? The real bad result is what this is going to do to our economy.

Exactly Dancer, If Biden is concerned about some country's border being violated by foreigners, he should get his ass down to our Southern border and get it secured before he worries about someone's border halfway around the world.

Biden is a supporter of NATO weather they paid up or not. I am a supporter of letting them know to F#$& off before it gets started. Just my thoughts but if we can get out of this in the next 3 years without blood we will have been blessed.

Halfhitch said:

Exactly Dancer, If Biden is concerned about some country's border being violated by foreigners, he should get his ass down to our Southern border and get it secured before he worries about someone's border halfway around the world.

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Sir I also agree with this, dosen't matter if its next door or in UK/Russia. The man is in over his head. I think the next 3 years are dicy at best.

Halfhitch said:

Exactly Dancer, If Biden is concerned about some country's border being violated by foreigners, he should get his ass down to our Southern border and get it secured before he worries about someone's border halfway around the world.

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True That !

Taking screenshots of Google Maps before the updates.

Creekwood said:

I thought you all backed Trump's plan to get the US out of all foreign conflicts. But now you want the US to dive in again? Make up your mind. Anyway, I am sure that Brandon will be getting advice from the people that really know WTF is going on, and I don't mean any of the politicians or any of us on CSR. I mean the US military and the CIA. The POTUS ultimately makes the calls, but only an idiot POTUS would make a call on his own.

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Sir I do want to dive in at all. Sometimes a phone call is all it takes. My mind has never changed. Just like Canada, you guys are lucky to be hooked on the hip to USA. I'll bite my tongue before I really piss you off along with JT.

So what is the your view on the US actively on the ground defending Ukraine if Putin decides to invade? Lock in your opinion right now. Pretend you are the POTUS. Make the call...........

As a Canadian, I support having Canadian troops participate in defending democracy in Europe and that includes standing up to Putin in defending the Ukraine. So that is my call.

Creekwood said:

I thought you all backed Trump's plan to get the US out of all foreign conflicts. But now you want the US to dive in again? Make up your mind. Anyway, I am sure that Brandon will be getting advice from the people that really know WTF is going on, and I don't mean any of the politicians or any of us on CSR. I mean the US military and the CIA. The POTUS ultimately makes the calls, but only an idiot POTUS would make a call on his own.

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Who here said they wanted the US to engage in a conflict over Ukraine? That's the bumbling baffoon Bidan....

I support arming the living snot out of Ukraine and not sending blankets and helmets.

Creekwood said:

So what is the your view on the US actively on the ground defending Ukraine if Putin decides to invade? Lock in your opinion right now. Pretend you are the POTUS. Make the call...........

As a Canadian, I support having Canadian troops participate in defending democracy in Europe and that includes standing up to Putin in defending the Ukraine. So that is my call.

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Sir I would have let him known before he ever assembled 100k troops there that if he intends on extending his borders I am going to kick his ass. Russia is not that strong, however China is the big bad wolfe. To late now, but I am all for going all in on the UK unless they desire to be Russian.
Xi is watching.

RBB said:

Sir I do want to dive in at all. Sometimes a phone call is all it takes. My mind has never changed. Just like Canada, you guys are lucky to be hooked on the hip to USA. I'll bite my tongue before I really piss you off along with JT.

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I take no offense. I agree we are lucky. And Canada does what it can on the world military stage. We were there in Afghanistan, Korea, WW1 and WW2. We don't have the military might of the US, but we try to punch above our weight class. And I can absolutely guarantee that if the US was ever attacked, we would be right at your side, with whatever might we have. So when your pipsqueak neighbor says we have your back, we mean it. So does all of NATO members.

All of NATO is hooked at the hip and we have all benefited from the world peace that has resulted. Yes, the US has been the global leader and for the most part you are proud of that, and you should be. And yes, many countries have not kept up with military spending levels that are supposed to be agreed to.

The NATO Treaty is worth a re-read. It was basically the US that wrote it.

The North Atlantic Treaty
Washington D.C. - 4 April 1949


The Parties to this Treaty reaffirm their faith in the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations and their desire to live in peace with all peoples and all governments.

They are determined to safeguard the freedom, common heritage and civilisation of their peoples, founded on the principles of democracy, individual liberty and the rule of law. They seek to promote stability and well-being in the North Atlantic area.

They are resolved to unite their efforts for collective defence and for the preservation of peace and security. They therefore agree to this North Atlantic Treaty :

Article 1
The Parties undertake, as set forth in the Charter of the United Nations, to settle any international dispute in which they may be involved by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security and justice are not endangered, and to refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force in any manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations.

Article 2
The Parties will contribute toward the further development of peaceful and friendly international relations by strengthening their free institutions, by bringing about a better understanding of the principles upon which these institutions are founded, and by promoting conditions of stability and well-being. They will seek to eliminate conflict in their international economic policies and will encourage economic collaboration between any or all of them.

Article 3
In order more effectively to achieve the objectives of this Treaty, the Parties, separately and jointly, by means of continuous and effective self-help and mutual aid, will maintain and develop their individual and collective capacity to resist armed attack.

Article 4
The Parties will consult together whenever, in the opinion of any of them, the territorial integrity, political independence or security of any of the Parties is threatened.

Article 5
The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.

Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security .

Article 6 1
For the purpose of Article 5, an armed attack on one or more of the Parties is deemed to include an armed attack:

• on the territory of any of the Parties in Europe or North America, on the Algerian Departments of France 2, on the territory of Turkey or on the Islands under the jurisdiction of any of the Parties in the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer;
• on the forces, vessels, or aircraft of any of the Parties, when in or over these territories or any other area in Europe in which occupation forces of any of the Parties were stationed on the date when the Treaty entered into force or the Mediterranean Sea or the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer.

Article 7
This Treaty does not affect, and shall not be interpreted as affecting in any way the rights and obligations under the Charter of the Parties which are members of the United Nations, or the primary responsibility of the Security Council for the maintenance of international peace and security.

Article 8
Each Party declares that none of the international engagements now in force between it and any other of the Parties or any third State is in conflict with the provisions of this Treaty, and undertakes not to enter into any international engagement in conflict with this Treaty.

Article 9
The Parties hereby establish a Council, on which each of them shall be represented, to consider matters concerning the implementation of this Treaty. The Council shall be so organised as to be able to meet promptly at any time. The Council shall set up such subsidiary bodies as may be necessary; in particular it shall establish immediately a defence committee which shall recommend measures for the implementation of Articles 3 and 5.

Article 10
The Parties may, by unanimous agreement, invite any other European State in a position to further the principles of this Treaty and to contribute to the security of the North Atlantic area to accede to this Treaty. Any State so invited may become a Party to the Treaty by depositing its instrument of accession with the Government of the United States of America. The Government of the United States of America will inform each of the Parties of the deposit of each such instrument of accession.

Article 11
This Treaty shall be ratified and its provisions carried out by the Parties in accordance with their respective constitutional processes. The instruments of ratification shall be deposited as soon as possible with the Government of the United States of America, which will notify all the other signatories of each deposit. The Treaty shall enter into force between the States which have ratified it as soon as the ratifications of the majority of the signatories, including the ratifications of Belgium, Canada, France, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, the United Kingdom and the United States, have been deposited and shall come into effect with respect to other States on the date of the deposit of their ratifications. (3)

Article 12
After the Treaty has been in force for ten years, or at any time thereafter, the Parties shall, if any of them so requests, consult together for the purpose of reviewing the Treaty, having regard for the factors then affecting peace and security in the North Atlantic area, including the development of universal as well as regional arrangements under the Charter of the United Nations for the maintenance of international peace and security.

Article 13
After the Treaty has been in force for twenty years, any Party may cease to be a Party one year after its notice of denunciation has been given to the Government of the United States of America, which will inform the Governments of the other Parties of the deposit of each notice of denunciation.

Article 14
This Treaty, of which the English and French texts are equally authentic, shall be deposited in the archives of the Government of the United States of America. Duly certified copies will be transmitted by that Government to the Governments of other signatories.

1. The definition of the territories to which Article 5 applies was revised by Article 2 of the Protocol to the North Atlantic Treaty on the accession of Greece and Turkey signed on 22 October 1951.
2. On January 16, 1963, the North Atlantic Council noted that insofar as the former Algerian Departments of France were concerned, the relevant clauses of this Treaty had become inapplicable as from July 3, 1962.
3. The Treaty came into force on 24 August 1949, after the deposition of the ratifications of all signatory states.

OllieC said:

Indeed. Kinda like his advisors on Afghanistan.

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Those guys were obviously idiots.

RBB said:

Sir I would have let him known before he ever assembled 100k troops there that if he intends on extending his borders I am going to kick his ass. Russia is not that strong, however China is the big bad wolfe. To late now, but I am all for going all in on the UK unless they desire to be Russian.
Xi is watching.

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I expect you are right with Xi. China will likely support Putin directly and indirectly. And as soon as the world is "distracted" with Ukraine, the Taiwan takeover will happen.