So you got yourself COVID vaccine. Think you can’t get COVID? Think again.

Dani-Lu said:
And once again: They like to feel good about themselves. And potentially one way of doing that is to feel that you have access to information that other people don't necessarily have.
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Yes. I’m here to edumacate you.
I am your Thought Leader. :D
 
Dani-Lu said:
Then the same heightened intelligence can be applied to Long Covid, and the many other side effects from Covid. So to me, getting the jab may protect me from getting Covid and it will definitely reduce the effects of Covid. But you will keep nay saying this fact, to prove you are right about the shot being more harmful than not.

And back we go again to our circular argument, which is old and boring at this point.
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The difference is if there where no mandates and people where free to choose their approach, none of this adversity would exist.
 
firecadet613 said:
So keep getting jabbed. One day you'll wise up that jabbing yourself with more and more doses of that is doing much more harm than just catching the man made bioweapon ever would cause you...

Why are you against TREATMENT? If you get the vid, get treatment and move on with life.... it's not the be all end all (unless you're an idiot and don't get treatment). My wife's aunt had two friends die yesterday - I classify them as idiots. It's 2021, they had covid, no treatment, no pulse ox meter and obviously waited to long to go to the ER. Stupid and needless. Cheap and effective meds are available and pulse ox meters are cheap! It's amazing how much positioning can impact your blood ox level....

So @Dani-Lu, where's your line? After how many jabs do you say no more? Or are you all set for the upcoming monthly subscription service?
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I am not against treatment. Treatments that work should be used and are being used. But, I prefer to be proactive, which is proven to greatly reduce the effects of Covid. But if i do get it, and it makes me sick, I will get treatment. The same that my father got one year ago, at Delray Medical Center, which is not a good hospital. Aside from all the conspiracy bullshit, I don’t understand why you think people are not getting treated.
 
Dani-Lu said:
I am not against treatment. Treatments that work should be used and are being used. But, I prefer to be proactive, which is proven to greatly reduce the effects of Covid. But if i do get it, and it makes me sick, I will get treatment. The same that my father got one year ago, at Delray Medical Center, which is not a good hospital. Aside from all the conspiracy bullshit, I don’t understand why you think people are not getting treated.
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You mean Deathray Medical Center. Awful hospital and has been for decades.
 
El Capitan said:
You mean Deathray Medical Center. Awful hospital and has been for decades.
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Exactly. Unfortunately, my father has been sent there 2 more times since Covid, for head injuries from falling. It a nice new looking hospital, but its lipstick on a pig! They did not feed my dad for more than 24 hours because the nurses did not have written orders from a doctor. I fing lost it!
 
MonacoMike said:
You do realize the top reasons folks give for getting the vaccine have absolutely nothing to do with the vaccine they are all about getting their freedoms back that have been taken away and the promise of normalcy.

Few of these folks even considered the vaccine as a treatment, whether it worked, whether it harmed, they just wanted their lives back at any cost.
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Maybe now since the mandates.
But for me and everyone I know, it was about staying healthy!
 
MonacoMike said:
Bunch of armchair propagandists, regurgitating the official line while ignoring the suppression of science, scientists, and information, while believing themselves to be amateur virologists…

True legends in their own minds…
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I see you’ve finally caught on to @El Capitan’s ignorance too. Congratulations - what took you so long??
 
El Capitan said:
This is a huge admission by the AHA.
https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/abs/10.1161/circ.144.suppl_1.10712
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Somebody else beat you to it several pages ago. Here's more of the story:
Note the AHA has already marked the abstract with an "Expression of Concern" indicating they are uneasy with the content. The author is apparently a food supplement pusher who says Honey Nut and Macadamia bars (which he happens to sell) will prevent or cure all ills.

Here's a summary from Reddit's Covid Science Forum of the problems with the abstract:
"The entirety of the results is two screenshots of PULS readouts, supposedly showing change before and after vaccination in two patients (with after reports taken at the exact same time...?). This is completely farcical. The AHA have serious questions to answer about how this was accepted for presentation.

The AHA have now issued an Expression of Concern for this abstract.

  1. It's a non-peer-reviewed conference abstract.

  2. It's a single author. That's weird, and rare, considering a single person certainly didn't do all the work this abstract describes themselves

  3. The single author is Steven Gundry, a "functional" medicine quack renowned for promoting lectin-avoidance diets as cure-alls.

  4. It's absolutely impossible to ascertain the methods here.

  5. Because the abstract is terribly written, it's almost impossible to work out what they're actually trying to report

  6. I'm not a cardiologist, but from what I can tell and my general impression the PULS test is not a validated biomarker. The website gives no publications. The papers referenced in the FAQ are small and terribly cited. The test is marketed by numerous natural health websites.
Edit: one of the only academic results for the PULS test is this 2019 abstract, also by Grundy, that shows that lectin-free diets dramatically reduce PULS scores! Who would have predicted that!(obviously this work was never published, because it probably never existed)
7) The conclusions: "We conclude that the mRNA vacs dramatically increase inflammation on the endothelium and T cell infiltration of cardiac muscle and may account for the observations of increased thrombosis, cardiomyopathy, and other vascular events following vaccination" are over-reaching nonsense.

8) Given what we know about vaccine responses, I'd be more inclined to just think this abstract is bollocks, rather than even any normal physiological inflammatory response."
 
Dani-Lu said:
Exactly. Unfortunately, my father has been sent there 2 more times since Covid, for head injuries from falling. It a nice new looking hospital, but its lipstick on a pig! They did not feed my dad for more than 24 hours because the nurses did not have written orders from a doctor. I fing lost it!
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That happened to my kid when he was 8. Busted his hip and had to wait all day for a surgical spot to open up. Well they didn't want to feed him, cause then he couldn't be operated on. About 4:00 pm he starts yelling -- "this place sucks, they don't feed you around here." Luckily, they where just about to take him down. He got chocolate doughnuts when he awoke. Funny as hell.
 
Dani-Lu said:
Exactly. Unfortunately, my father has been sent there 2 more times since Covid, for head injuries from falling. It a nice new looking hospital, but its lipstick on a pig! They did not feed my dad for more than 24 hours because the nurses did not have written orders from a doctor. I fing lost it!
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Look into a Patient Advocate. A person that sits in room during visitation hours and questions everything the nurses do, and makes sure the nurses come to the room immediately if called by a patient. I don’t think Medicare covers it but the hospital might have such a role, some hospitals do. If they keep screwing up w your dad demand to speak w nurse manager and threaten to go to CNO and CEO of hospital. Make them know your dad by name. It reduces chances of being overlooked.

A group of us went diving in Cozumel and one buddy came back w malaria. That hospital misdiagnosed him with Leukemia and were about to drill into his bones until one in our group who was EMT suggested a test for malaria. It isn’t included in the Caribbean infections test panel!

Saved his life.
 
Dani-Lu said:
I am not against treatment. Treatments that work should be used and are being used. But, I prefer to be proactive, which is proven to greatly reduce the effects of Covid. But if i do get it, and it makes me sick, I will get treatment. The same that my father got one year ago, at Delray Medical Center, which is not a good hospital. Aside from all the conspiracy bullshit, I don’t understand why you think people are not getting treated.
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What treatments are they getting, aside from monoclonal antibodies? Many more treatments exist that aren't being used...

And what conspiracy bullshit? The PM of New Zealand today admitted their vaccination campaign will never end. How much more black and white do you need it to be? The vax is about control....
 
MonacoMike said:
It is so funny how much people forget. Go back and read the mask threads. People thought that a vaccine would solve everything.
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People still think that. Why else would they be getting more and more booster shots?

I know. Because they're stupid. To stupid to learn the real history of a drug vs what the FDA morons tweet. But then again, some here believe it's horse paste.

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Yes. Here’s a hospital in a state that has record deaths because of politics, refusing any alternative treatments…but hey, it’s horse paste so completely understandable o_O These same fools said similar about hydroxychloroquine.

What cracked me up was Senator Amy Klobuchars husband was on a vent, coughing up blood and then miraculously became healthy. Amy was adamant, even after her husband recovered that it’s dangerous to use hydroxychloroquine. Then we find out later, by her own admission when pressed, that’s what they gave her hubby.

Ivermectin: Wife of York County man on 'death's doorstep' from COVID sues UPMC to use drug

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ivermect...zGlz36FwdmGS5GM0Oje5j_OhB6D4ZFKnjKjYdr80fxi9E
 
OllieC said:
Yes. Here’s a hospital in a state that has record deaths because of politics, refusing any alternative treatments…but hey, it’s horse paste so completely understandable o_O These same fools said similar about hydroxychloroquine.

What cracked me up was Senator Amy Klobuchars husband was on a vent, coughing up blood and then miraculously became healthy. Amy was adamant, even after her husband recovered that it’s dangerous to use hydroxychloroquine. Then we find out later, by her own admission when pressed, that’s what they gave her hubby.

Ivermectin: Wife of York County man on 'death's doorstep' from COVID sues UPMC to use drug

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ivermect...zGlz36FwdmGS5GM0Oje5j_OhB6D4ZFKnjKjYdr80fxi9E
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Funny how all this is. Why would they want to use horse paste?! It's not like it's highly effective against covid or anything...
 
El Capitan said:
Nobody is fully vaccinated anymore. So they’ve taken a risk with little to no benefit.

That realization pisses them off.

Then they go back to my original post way back in February and their heads explode. :D
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Sorry, but not one person’s head has
tc410 said:
I see you’ve finally caught on to @El Capitan’s ignorance too. Congratulations - what took you so long??
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What is your point Mike? You knew the outcome before the docs and scientists? And no we did not think, we hoped. This is a new medical situation for the world. And, we also hope this is not the norm for the next 2, 3, 4 years or forever. Don't you? Aside from all your negativity, the vaccine will at a minimum continue to protect the old, weak and anyone else not afraid of it. I also hope a mutation does not come along making the vaccine useless. Are you hoping for the opposite?
 
Golfman25 said:
That happened to my kid when he was 8. Busted his hip and had to wait all day for a surgical spot to open up. Well they didn't want to feed him, cause then he couldn't be operated on. About 4:00 pm he starts yelling -- "this place sucks, they don't feed you around here." Luckily, they where just about to take him down. He got chocolate doughnuts when he awoke. Funny as hell.
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Love Chocolate donuts - A kid after my own heart! :)
 
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