Rittenhouse case

Woody said:
That's the interesting part. In MI you can gift a gun to your minor kid. In MI the minor kid can possess the gun in some circumstances although the parents are the true possessors overall of the kids gun. In MI a person can own and possess some firearms before they are legally able to buy them from a licensed dealer. In MI there is no requirement for guns to be kept under lock and key.

The parents said the gun was in their room, their lawyer said the gun was locked up. Importantly it wasn't in the kids room, the parents had possession. The Prosecutor said that makes no difference, the kid had access. Think about what that means for anyone who has their guns secured but the kid figures out how to defeat those measures.

The media likes to tell that the kid was with the parent when the gun was purchased, that's not illegal. The Prosecutor cites some emails and social media post as evidence, none of the contents are illegal. The kid and mother talked about the Xmas present and the first time going together to try it out.

The Prosecutor said the parents should have known. At this point nothing has come out that the kid has a history of mental problems and the kid had a clean record at school...so should have known what?

We've got to remember this unfolded in two days. A point was made that he was searching for ammo on his phone while in school. Maybe his parents told him they wouldn't be going to the range every weekend because ammo was expensive and he was trying to find the cheapest. He shouldn't have been playing with his phone during school time, looking for ammo, or looking at the picture a girl friend just sexted of her titties either.

The parents, student, and school counselor met the next day because the kid drew 'disturbing' stuff. They say the kid conducted himself well, explained the pictures were of an idea he had for a video game. The media says the parents were resistant to taking the kid home that day. After meeting with the school counselors that felt no 'discipline was warranted' and he could go back to class what would be the point. If the counselors felt there was a threat they wouldn't have allowed him in the school, they'd of had the police there, the kid would have been searched, probably the whole school would have been searched. In fact the counselors opinions might even have been comforting to the parents...because they didn't think the situation warranted any of those things.

Something was wrong with that kid, for how long who knows but he fooled everyone. The kid deserves what he gets IMHO, but what about the parents? Up to 60yrs in prison each for what their son did. Their son was not a 6yo that doesn't understand things, plays with a gun found in a drawer and shoots their little friend. Their son is charged as an adult, at 15yo he did understand things, he was capable of making his own decisions, he was capable of plotting to carry them out, he was fully aware of what the results would be....all this independently. You may tie the 6yo actions to the parents but I think the 15yo is different.

The Prosecutor said one of the reasons she decided to charge the parents was her 'feelings' as a mother, as a community member, as a prosecutor. Think about that.
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Yikes…. I can’t read all that…. Is there Cole’s notes version :)
 
First of all, Woody thanks for a great analysis and write up. It's obvious a lot of thought went into it so thanks for sharing your thoughts!


PlayDate said:
What this kid did was horrible. That intent had to be learned and he got it from someone.
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I've long believed that this millennial generation and the generation that this dumb shit kid comes from have been way too heavily influenced by violent video games. A lot of people don't think the video games have any long lasting effect on kids but I think they're nuts. With all the killing and gore that is in these games, the kids become desensitized to killing. They can have a difficult time separating fact from fiction.
 
firecadet613 said:
More BS out of Michigan. Color me surprised.

I love the state and it's natural beauty, but man it's politics and laws are ass backwards....
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Good. Please don’t visit here. We’ll appreciate you going somewhere else.
 
tc410 said:
Good. Please don’t visit here. We’ll appreciate you going somewhere else.
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I'm there all the damn time @tc410....but you sure are bitter. Maybe it's all your clot shots you've taken so far?

You think you'd realize how f'd up your politics are up there....yet here we are. And it sounds like this case will show how much of a failure that school and prosecutor is. Who the hell doesn't look in a back pack and sends the kid back to class?! Shameful on many fronts...
 
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Gofirstclass said:
First of all, Woody thanks for a great analysis and write up. It's obvious a lot of thought went into it so thanks for sharing your thoughts!




I've long believed that this millennial generation and the generation that this dumb shit kid comes from have been way too heavily influenced by violent video games. A lot of people don't think the video games have any long lasting effect on kids but I think they're nuts. With all the killing and gore that is in these games, the kids become desensitized to killing. They can have a difficult time separating fact from fiction.
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I agree.

So pilots train to fly in a flight simulator. Kids learn to disrespect life and culture in video games engineered to do just that.

It is more than the games though. Social media is also complicit. The loss of respect for life and the inability to accept social values and social interaction in general has become a boon to the powers that be. We live in troubled times but we have all had a part in the decline. To deny that is to further the decline. The war against critical thinking is almost won for them.
 
Gofirstclass said:
I've long believed that this millennial generation and the generation that this dumb shit kid comes from have been way too heavily influenced by violent video games. A lot of people don't think the video games have any long lasting effect on kids but I think they're nuts. With all the killing and gore that is in these games, the kids become desensitized to killing. They can have a difficult time separating fact from fiction.
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ya know GFC...I have been saying that for awhile now, especially since they started complaining about Elmer Fudd carrying a gun. They complain about a kids cartoon but are ok with going on a very realistic looking video game and going on a shooting spree? Then just hit the restart when you die. It doesn't work like that in real life. I'm not one of these to complain about sensitivities but if you are gonna complain about a cartoon then you need to look at these video games that are much more realistic and played by probably 90% of this generation
 
Gofirstclass said:
I've long believed that this millennial generation and the generation that this dumb shit kid comes from have been way too heavily influenced by violent video games. A lot of people don't think the video games have any long lasting effect on kids but I think they're nuts. With all the killing and gore that is in these games, the kids become desensitized to killing. They can have a difficult time separating fact from fiction.
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100 &$## percent!

I've said this all along. Combine this with the internet and you've got a human bomb in the making.
 
Creekwood said:
There are hundreds if not thousands of accidental/unintentional discharge gun deaths every year. Every single one was caused by improper gun handling/safety and usually not just one thing being done wrong. And almost always the person with the gun in their hand does not go to jail.

Yeah you guys have a hate on for Baldwin because he mocked Trump on SNL. So I get the vitriol that is being spewed. But if you want to string him up, you have to string up a long list of people horribly involved in unintentional gun deaths. God forbid it is ever one of you or someone you know. Here is a simple google search to read over.
https://www.google.com/search?q=acc...ome..69i57.12408j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
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Ironic, the first story on there is a guy who accidentally discharged he .22 when "cleaning" it and killed the woman in the apartment next door. He was arrested on the spot and taken to jail. Kinda goes against your narrative here. Huh, funny how that happens. Baldwin should be in jail as well.
 
highslice said:
Ironic, the first story on there is a guy who accidentally discharged he .22 when "cleaning" it and killed the woman in the apartment next door. He was arrested on the spot and taken to jail. Kinda goes against your narrative here. Huh, funny how that happens. Baldwin should be in jail as well.
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I agree sir! He was negligent however u look at it.
Fellas would u point a gun at someone u did not check out your self.
 
RBB said:
I agree sir! He was negligent however u look at it.
Fellas would u point a gun at someone u did not check out your self.
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I wouldn't point a gun at anyone unless I had planned to fire. I don't think I could even do it if I were an actor. I don't even like pointing toy guns at people.
 
highslice said:
Ironic, the first story on there is a guy who accidentally discharged he .22 when "cleaning" it and killed the woman in the apartment next door. He was arrested on the spot and taken to jail. Kinda goes against your narrative here. Huh, funny how that happens. Baldwin should be in jail as well.
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"But......he is a famous actor who was pretending to be a gunslinger. He doesn't know anything about guns or how to check them.....he has little people he pays to do that. And most importantly......he said he didn't pull the trigger which means in wacky liberal logic that he is innocent and Trump is guilty.";)
 
Blueone said:
I am not buying the link between video games and killing people in real life. Plus it can’t be proven…. China bans it and just made stricter limits but not because kids are killing people. Her is an article from CNN if you can believe it but a lot of other articles out there
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/08/31/tech/china-ban-video-games-minor-intl-hnk/index.html
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A multi billion dollar industry will not admit liability for a greater good. While not all can be measured on an Internet forum, aggression and desensitization are well documented in gamers.
 
Blueone said:
I am not buying the link between video games and killing people in real life. Plus it can’t be proven…. China bans it and just made stricter limits but not because kids are killing people. Her is an article from CNN if you can believe it but a lot of other articles out there
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/08/31/tech/china-ban-video-games-minor-intl-hnk/index.html
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China does not allow civilian gun ownership. They are banning the games because of the social engineering/management inherent in communist regimes.

I don't believe that violent FPS games are going to turn a "normal" kid into a serial murderer, nor do I think that the US gun laws (availability) turns them into murderers either. But for those that are not "normal" (low emotional IQ, anger issues, social outcasts, etc), there is going to be a desensitization IMO. What is needed in a society with open access to guns is a process to identify those that are at risk (due to history, mental illness, etc.) and not allow them access or ownership. The NRA and other gun lobbyists appear to disagree. So the carnage will probably continue.

I remember a joke from a while ago when the gun buying delays were being talked about:

"7-days? What? That's ridiculous and unfair. After 7 days I won't be mad anymore!"
 
Creekwood said:
I remember a joke from a while ago when the gun buying delays were being talked about:

"7-days? What? That's ridiculous and unfair. After 7 days I won't be mad anymore!"
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Where's there a 7 day delay? I remember a few years ago, a prior boss asked about getting a gun and was shocked she could just walk into a store, submit a 4473 and walk out with it minutes later...
 
Woody said:
That's the interesting part. In MI you can gift a gun to your minor kid. In MI the minor kid can possess the gun in some circumstances although the parents are the true possessors overall of the kids gun. In MI a person can own and possess some firearms before they are legally able to buy them from a licensed dealer. In MI there is no requirement for guns to be kept under lock and key.
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You make us sound like the wild west up here!!! :):)

Under 18 can only possess a handgun under the direct supervision of an adult. They can't "own" a handgun because they can't get a license to purchase/transfer it. But they can surely use it...so long as supervised.

A silly MI law - you cannot get a purchase permit from the State if you're under 18 but an FFL is prohibited from selling handguns to anyone under 21. Sooo...18-21 and you have to buy private party only. Brilliant really.

I think the only exception to age limit this is hunting. Under 18 year olds can hunt on property where their parents live, with a handgun, unsupervised if they have the proper hunting license.

We're not that crazy!
 
One can surmise that it's multiple issues to the downfall of our society. I know I'll be opening a pandoras box, but I also believe a lack of religion with families plays a part. Our younger generations are exposed to garbage via social media and the internet, which can include video games. Porn, hard core violence, anti-religion, politics, destruction of our country, debauchery, are pushed and the kids are exposed to this on a daily basis. Now we see the Government schools are pushing some of these narratives.

When you loot, destroy private property, beat someone half to death (these are kids doing it - circle back to Rittenhouse), shoot someone because you're angry, and you think it's okay, or that you might get away with it, there's a bigger problem than just video games. All-in-all for many, the moral compass is lost. In order to have civilization, you need civility. I believe religion plays a big part in that. That sadly has left or has been outnumbered by the uncivil in most urban areas.
 
OllieC said:
One can surmise that it's multiple issues to the downfall of our society. I know I'll be opening a pandoras box, but I also believe a lack of religion with families plays a part. Our younger generations are exposed to garbage via social media and the internet, which can include video games. Porn, hard core violence, anti-religion, politics, destruction of our country, debauchery, are pushed and the kids are exposed to this on a daily basis. Now we see the Government schools are pushing some of these narratives.

When you loot, destroy private property, beat someone half to death (these are kids doing it - circle back to Rittenhouse), shoot someone because you're angry, and you think it's okay, or that you might get away with it, there's a bigger problem than just video games. All-in-all for many, the moral compass is lost. In order to have civilization, you need civility. That sadly has left or has been outnumbered by the uncivil in most urban areas.
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Organized religion has killed more people than any other cause in the history of the world (EDIT: I can't properly site this...but have heard it repeated so many times now, even before the internet, that it must be true :)).

I'd argue it's more about the breakdown of the family. Tax daycares at 2,500%. Parents need to raise their children, not for-profit third parties...
 
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