Rittenhouse case

I understand that you align politically with Rittenhouse, and that's OK.

I'm pretty far right also but the law is the law and I choose to follow it and try to be reasonable and objective. I feel the juries made the right call in both cases. To me it makes no difference whether they are right or left or black or white. Make the right choices in life.
 
When a neighbor down the street at our lake was building their place, most of us neighbors were curious about the layout. Before the house was framed in, we took a stroll in the foundation and on the construction site to see what was happening. Oh the horror - we did it multiple times! I guess if later I was jogging down that street, I should have expected to be subject to a citizens arrest at gunpoint?

Now if the kid had driven up in a white panel van, backed it up to the construction site, opened the back doors, and then ran when someone came up to him, maybe a citizens arrest might have been warranted.
If you didn't know in advance that neighbor was OK with you having a look then you should have stayed outa there. That's all every construction site needs is nosey people snoopin' around. When they have a fall or step on a nail you know darn well there'll be a lawsuit.

How about mind your own business, when the place is finished he might invite you to the house warming party.
 
If you didn't know in advance that neighbor was OK with you having a look then you should have stayed outa there. That's all every construction site needs is nosey people snoopin' around. When they have a fall or step on a nail you know darn well there'll be a lawsuit.

How about mind your own business, when the place is finished he might invite you to the house warming party.
We all know each other. And they did not mind. But some would be vigilante would not know that.
 
If you didn't know in advance that neighbor was OK with you having a look then you should have stayed outa there. That's all every construction site needs is nosey people snoopin' around. When they have a fall or step on a nail you know darn well there'll be a lawsuit.

How about mind your own business, when the place is finished he might invite you to the house warming party.


Completely agree. This is part of being civil and respecting other people’s private property.

Reminds me of “posting” your own property to keep hunters out and/or trespassers. This concept doesn’t make sense to me. I was raised, if it’s not your property, stay off of it, or politely knock on the door and ask if you can pass through or hunt it.
 
Many years ago I was building our house I spent long night there. For one reason was at the time at 23 yrs old we were living with the in-laws and lets just say I'd rather be at a construction site then be there. It was funny how many people stopped in to take a look while it was under construction. Even in my town of roughly 8,000 people there was a job box that everything was locked up in and that was in 1984.
 
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If you didn't know in advance that neighbor was OK with you having a look then you should have stayed outa there. That's all every construction site needs is nosey people snoopin' around. When they have a fall or step on a nail you know darn well there'll be a lawsuit.

How about mind your own business, when the place is finished he might invite you to the house warming party.
If he had been caught there before and just said "Oh, I was just curious", nobody probably would have cared. However, if he bolted and ran as soon as he were spotted, then the folks that saw him probably figured (correctly) that he was up to no good.
 
Completely agree. This is part of being civil and respecting other people’s private property.

Reminds me of “posting” your own property to keep hunters out and/or trespassers. This concept doesn’t make sense to me. I was raised, if it’s not your property, stay off of it, or politely knock on the door and ask if you can pass through or hunt it.
Lots of different attitudes when it comes to private property. In my experience most events are innocent but ignorant. Like folks I find sight seeing by my house, they say they wondered was on 'this road', my driveway, just wanted to see and for some reason they think they can. When I tell them what is down this road is none of their business most are nice and apologize, but some aren't. Out come the comments... it isn't fair I have land and some people don't, they've heard I wasn't a very nice guy, on and on. I admit I did get pretty stern a couple times years ago:rolleyes: but I think my rep has grown disproportionately. I'm OK with that though if it helps keep the unwanted away.

One time I found a tree stand chained up in one of my trees with steps screwed in to get up there and some limbs cut off. That tree was one of a few large white spruce about 200yrs old. You don't find them old trees much in this area anymore, a remnant of times long gone, and some asshole had to abuse it.

Anyway...in WI there are near 6 million acres of public land. In addition to that there are many more acres of private lands available to the public under state forest management laws. There are also land trusts that are increasingly popular, lands put in them are usually open to the public with some restrictions.

There is no good reason for non-landowners to feel like they're being denied access to mother nature, the forests and all it's wonderful creatures...but some of them do.

Here's the start of my driveway...why isn't this clear enough for some people?
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Lots of different attitudes when it comes to private property. In my experience most events are innocent but ignorant. Like folks I find sight seeing by my house, they say they wondered was on 'this road', my driveway, just wanted to see and for some reason they think they can. When I tell them what is down this road is none of their business most are nice and apologize, but some aren't. Out come the comments... it isn't fair I have land and some people don't, they've heard I wasn't a very nice guy, on and on. I admit I did get pretty stern a couple times years ago:rolleyes: but I think my rep has grown disproportionately. I'm OK with that though if it helps keep the unwanted away.

One time I found a tree stand chained up in one of my trees with steps screwed in to get up there and some limbs cut off. That tree was one of a few large white spruce about 200yrs old. You don't find them old trees much in this area anymore, a remnant of times long gone, and some asshole had to abuse it.

Anyway...in WI there are near 6 million acres of public land. In addition to that there are many more acres of private lands available to the public under state forest management laws. There are also land trusts that are increasingly popular, lands put in them are usually open to the public with some restrictions.

There is no good reason for non-landowners to feel like they're being denied access to mother nature, the forests and all it's wonderful creatures...but some of them do.

Here's the start of my driveway...why isn't this clear enough for some people?
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Woody that's all a damn shame. Maybe some bigger letters or a gate across the front would work better? Or, you need to make it look "scarier"....to scare them off before they drive down.
 
Lots of different attitudes when it comes to private property. In my experience most events are innocent but ignorant. Like folks I find sight seeing by my house, they say they wondered was on 'this road', my driveway, just wanted to see and for some reason they think they can. When I tell them what is down this road is none of their business most are nice and apologize, but some aren't. Out come the comments...

You should see the indignant responses I get when asking who the trespassers are looking for, no one just looking, then I tell them this is a private marina. Every way in has signs saying so.

There is no RESPECT taught today for anything of anyone?
 
“ Trespassers may be shot “
“ Bad dogs on the loose “

I guess people don’t heed warnings anymore.
 
Virginia is pitiful when it comes to private property. The state feels it isn't private and I don't have a right to privacy. Because of "hunters" using dogs to hunt for them, Virginia has suspended private property rights. As long as the person claims to be a hunter and is unarmed, I can't legally kick them off my property. It has come to physical altercations a couple of times. Most have of them have come to respect my Constitutionally protected private property boundaries, but I still have to deal with dumbasses once in a while.
 
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Woody that's all a damn shame. Maybe some bigger letters or a gate across the front would work better? Or, you need to make it look "scarier"....to scare them off before they drive down.
Sad part is he shouldn't have to. I'm in the same boat. I have 10 acres that I had to post. I had to spend my money and time to put up signs that I despise for people that know damn well who's property it is and that they're only welcome as far as my front door until they ask.
 
I'm in the same boat as you all are in that we should respect each others property but in this case there was no cause for citizens arrest. Should he have been there? Probably not. Should have minded his own business. But either way that does not warrant a citizens arrest and that is what this whole case hinged on.
 
when they was interviewed by the police after the shooting I do not think they mentioned that it was a attempted citizens arrest. Regardless in my opinion the man was not a physical threat to them until they cornered him my putting that long gun on him . Then I think his survival instinct kicked in and thats when he grabbed the barrel of the gun.
Until this point the man had not made any threating moves. In fact running from those boys. They should have followed him and contacted the police.
Just my take on this fellas.
 
Lots of different attitudes when it comes to private property. I admit I did get pretty stern a couple times years ago:rolleyes: but I think my rep has grown disproportionately. I'm OK with that though if it helps keep the unwanted away.


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You have to be. Growing up, my grandfather built a cabin (or cottage) in N. Indiana on a lake. The 1st cabin on the lake for that matter back in the 20's, which allowed him to pick a pristine sandy spot. Growing up there on the weekends, it seemed about every few weekends during the Summer, a family or some individual would walk through the property from the nearby public access, put their belongings on our dock and go for a swim. My grandfather would come out with his 22 revolver and loose his mind. He'd get a few arguments like, "You don't own the beach!". Thing is, he did own the beach.

Most of the time, people would apologize and leave. It's unfortunate, but I've found being stern seems to be the only way it works. Do you need to be drunk, carry a .22, and scream epitaphs at level 10, like my 'Grandpa' in the 70's, probably not. ;)
 
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You have to be. Growing up, my grandfather built a cabin (or cottage) in N. Indiana on a lake. The 1st cabin on the lake for that matter back in the 20's, which allowed him to pick a pristine sandy spot. Growing up there on the weekends, it seemed about every few weeks during the Summer, a family, or some individual would walk through the property from the nearby public access, put their belongings on our dock and go for a swim. My grandfather would come out with his 22 revolver and loose his mind. You'd have a few arguments like, "You don't own the beach!". Thing is, he did own the beach.

Most of the time, people would leave. It's unfortunate, but I've found being stern seems to be the only way it works. Do you need to be drunk, carry a .22, and scream epitaphs at level 10, like my 'Grandpa' in the 70's, probably not. ;)

 

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