Rittenhouse case

boatman37 said:
In my opinion it wasn't the smartest decision to go there in the first place but he had a legal right to be there and a legal right to have the weapon he had (doesn't matter if it is an AR or a .22 handgun). What firearm he had is irrelevant in this case. From the video I saw it looks like he was hit in the head with that skateboard? Or at least the other guy was aiming for the head? That could be construed as deadly force. The legal definition for deadly force is 'could cause death or serious bodily injury'. Being hit in the head by a swinging skateboard while on the ground could very well be seen as deadly force. If he was able to articulate that to the jury then that shoot could be considered justified. I don't know the sequence of events so can't say about the other shootings but it all comes down to how well he can articulate that he felt he was in danger of death or serious bodily injury.

DISCAIMER: I am not an attorney but have a few years of law enforcement experience and several college level courses in criminal justice (I started out as a criminal justice major)
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I think your assessment sounds consistent with what I’ve been following in this trial.

Thanks for your disclaimer and transparency. Another guy(?) on here @El Capitan ran data cables at a hospital but went out of his way to portray himself as a doctor, cardiac specialist and of course, immunologist. Likely Napoleon complex….
 
boatman37 said:
In my opinion it wasn't the smartest decision to go there in the first place but he had a legal right to be there and a legal right to have the weapon he had (doesn't matter if it is an AR or a .22 handgun). What firearm he had is irrelevant in this case. From the video I saw it looks like he was hit in the head with that skateboard? Or at least the other guy was aiming for the head? That could be construed as deadly force. The legal definition for deadly force is 'could cause death or serious bodily injury'. Being hit in the head by a swinging skateboard while on the ground could very well be seen as deadly force. If he was able to articulate that to the jury then that shoot could be considered justified. I don't know the sequence of events so can't say about the other shootings but it all comes down to how well he can articulate that he felt he was in danger of death or serious bodily injury.

DISCAIMER: I am not an attorney but have a few years of law enforcement experience and several college level courses in criminal justice (I started out as a criminal justice major)
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And don't forget, you stayed in a Holiday Inn last night;)
 
Shoyrtt said:
both the prosecutor and the defense attorney were both very personal in their closings, showing their distain for one another
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I'm not a lawyer, attorney, or paralegal but I did take some legal/ law courses in college and I too thought those closing arguments where extremely pointed and personal and off the topic of making their arguments concerning the case in point with was whether or not Rittenhouse was guilty or not guilty.

I too believe he should have never been there. He was not trained nor prepared to be in that type of situation armed or not. The best way to defuse a mob situation is not to add more people, especially armed ones.
 
Also what isn’t discussed is the PTSD this kid will have for the rest of his life. Celebs, unless you’re Alec Baldwin, don’t get this and make idiotic comments much like China’s hero Lebron.

So when does Kenosha burn - in time for the weekend? How many BLM/ANTIFA are being shipped there right now? Why will this being allowed to happen, again?
 
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Well this case is precisely what I argue about carrying any gun. There’s another thread re “should I buy a gun” and this is a great example of why I won’t carry.

I just know if I ever used it I would be persecuted inspite of what the law says. You get fried by the mob.

Can you imagine if the dudes killed were black!?

Im at a red light and some gold tooth comes up showing me his gun wanting to “borrow” my truck, I blow his face off ( a couple times) I’m the one going to jail. But if I’m not carrying I hand him the keys and later I’m at a Ford dealership looking to buy a truck.

I just don’t trust the courts anymore.
 
El Capitan said:
Well this case is precisely what I argue about carrying any gun. There’s another thread re “should I buy a gun” and this is a great example of why I won’t carry.

I just know if I ever used it I would be persecuted inspite of what the law says. You get fried by the mob.

Can you imagine if the dudes killed were black!?

Im at a red light and some gold tooth comes up showing me his gun wanting to “borrow” my truck, I blow his face off ( a couple times) I’m the one going to jail. But if I’m not carrying I hand him the keys and later I’m at a Ford dealership looking to buy a truck.

I just don’t trust the courts anymore.
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Not sure that would happen in a red state. There have been plenty of instances where it's been clear cut and the self defender was never even cuffed...
 
tc410 said:
I think your assessment sounds consistent with what I’ve been following in this trial.

Thanks for your disclaimer and transparency. Another guy(?) on here @El Capitan ran data cables at a hospital but went out of his way to portray himself as a doctor, cardiac specialist and of course, immunologist. Likely Napoleon complex….
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Data cables?? LMAO. You just demonstrated your ignorance and stupidity.

Here, allow me. Traditional network in a hospital is evolving from 802.11.

There. Now go on-the-line and goggle it! :D
 
JayhawkCurtis said:
One of the many reasons I live in Oklahoma
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We had a case not long ago near me. Crazy guy went on a shooting rampage in a cemetery. Shot and killed one, while chasing his second victim, a bullet from his gun went thru a pickup truck window. The driver of that pickup, once figuring out WTF was going on, took a shot and took out the perpetrator, right before the second victim was shot.

Good training is priceless.
 
It is AMAZING how the "facts" were portrayed last year when this event happened, and how our President called this kid a white supremacist. Now we see the facts, and the media totally tried to make this racist. The prosecution: You can't know what was in the mans mind you shot! How do you know what he was thinking? Kyle: He said he was going to kill me.
 
Prosecutor: Where
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El Capitan said:
Well this case is precisely what I argue about carrying any gun. There’s another thread re “should I buy a gun” and this is a great example of why I won’t carry.

I just know if I ever used it I would be persecuted inspite of what the law says. You get fried by the mob.

Can you imagine if the dudes killed were black!?

Im at a red light and some gold tooth comes up showing me his gun wanting to “borrow” my truck, I blow his face off ( a couple times) I’m the one going to jail. But if I’m not carrying I hand him the keys and later I’m at a Ford dealership looking to buy a truck.

I just don’t trust the courts anymore.
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I thought FL had castle doctrine and that was deemed to include your vehicle. So unless you're shooting someone in the back or shooting without a legitimate fear for your life (opposite of someone pointing a gun at you), there would be little chance you'd actually go to trial.

I mean, in Chicago you're probably right and there seems to be no legal protection for owning a firearm, let alone using one to protect yourself.

So I guess that position solely depends on if it happens in a red or blue state.
 
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firecadet613 said:
If you consider that a protest, I'd hate to see what you call a riot...
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I take your point. It was not a protest, it was a riot. Not disagreeing. It actually makes my point. A untrained kid has no business heading down to a riot with an AR15. And any adult that condoned it or supported it at the time has a degree of responsibility for what happened. I feel really bad for Rittenhouse and for the families of who he killed. No winners in any of this.
 
Creekwood said:
I take your point. It was not a protest, it was a riot. Not disagreeing. It actually makes my point. A untrained kid has no business heading down to a riot with an AR15. And any adult that condoned it or supported it at the time has a degree of responsibility for what happened. I feel really bad for Rittenhouse and for the families of who he killed. No winners in any of this.
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I agree except that we have not yet made it illegal to make bad decisions in the USA. Breaking laws vs making horrible decisions are very different debates.
 
El Capitan said:
Well this case is precisely what I argue about carrying any gun. There’s another thread re “should I buy a gun” and this is a great example of why I won’t carry.

I just know if I ever used it I would be persecuted inspite of what the law says. You get fried by the mob.

Can you imagine if the dudes killed were black!?

Im at a red light and some gold tooth comes up showing me his gun wanting to “borrow” my truck, I blow his face off ( a couple times) I’m the one going to jail. But if I’m not carrying I hand him the keys and later I’m at a Ford dealership looking to buy a truck.

I just don’t trust the courts anymore.
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Just because you are carrying doesn't mean you have to use it. In your scenario you could still just hand over the keys, provided they are going to let you walk away (which is assumed in your post if you're later at the Ford dealership).

However, what if they're dragging your wife out of the car and intent on raping her? Would you want to be carrying in that case?

Kyle was there in the community helping them by putting out fires and assisting folks who needed medical help. He was also cleaning graffiti off buildings. That's undisputed. He brought a weapon to protect himself, as did others. It was good he did because he did end up needing it. Folks should not be diminishing the rioting that was going on. ANYONE helping to minimize the damage and destruction should be praised, especially since the official law enforcement orgs were told to 'stand down' or not quell the riots.
 
km1125 said:
Just because you are carrying doesn't mean you have to use it. In your scenario you could still just hand over the keys, provided they are going to let you walk away (which is assumed in your post if you're later at the Ford dealership).

However, what if they're dragging your wife out of the car and intent on raping her? Would you want to be carrying in that case?

Kyle was there in the community helping them by putting out fires and assisting folks who needed medical help. He was also cleaning graffiti off buildings. That's undisputed. He brought a weapon to protect himself, as did others. It was good he did because he did end up needing it. Folks should not be diminishing the rioting that was going on. ANYONE helping to minimize the damage and destruction should be praised, especially since the official law enforcement orgs were told to 'stand down' or not quell the riots.
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Oh come on. According to the Prosecutor they where just setting a few things on fire. No big deal.
 
km1125 said:
Just because you are carrying doesn't mean you have to use it. In your scenario you could still just hand over the keys, provided they are going to let you walk away (which is assumed in your post if you're later at the Ford dealership).

However, what if they're dragging your wife out of the car and intent on raping her? Would you want to be carrying in that case?

Kyle was there in the community helping them by putting out fires and assisting folks who needed medical help. He was also cleaning graffiti off buildings. That's undisputed. He brought a weapon to protect himself, as did others. It was good he did because he did end up needing it. Folks should not be diminishing the rioting that was going on. ANYONE helping to minimize the damage and destruction should be praised, especially since the official law enforcement orgs were told to 'stand down' or not quell the riots.
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Maybe this has been said already...

But I can't help but think that some of the publicity of this case has been driven by the fact that he chose to bring along an AR. Had he had a Sig 9mm with him that day, very same outcome, I think this entire thing would have a very different feeling...and maybe a very different representation in the media.
 
Stee6043 said:
Maybe this has been said already...

But I can't help but think that some of the publicity of this case has been driven by the fact that he chose to bring along an AR. Had he had a Sig 9mm with him that day, very same outcome, I think this entire thing would have a very different feeling...and maybe a very different representation in the media.
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I think the media screaming racism and white supremacy has zero to do with the AR… it’s all the dems do to separate this country and use any event to push it…. Look how they are trying to spin the VP by saying we are being sexist and racist… it’s unbelievable but not surprising
 
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