So you got yourself COVID vaccine. Think you can’t get COVID? Think again.

Haden said:
What is the name of the other test that can distinguish between the difference? I want to read about them.
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"Genome sequencing" or "genetic sequencing" are good keyword search terms to find the process.
 
trflgrl said:
"Genome sequencing" or "genetic sequencing" are good keyword search terms to find the process.
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I would like the name of the test or tests that my local hospital, Quick Med, emergency room, family doctor, etc. are using to detect the difference between the strains. How does my general practice physician tell me if I have the flu, Covid-19, Delta, or Lamdba? Honest question, because my local doctor was not able to give me an answer.
 
Haden said:
I would like the name of the test or tests that my local hospital, Quick Med, emergency room, family doctor, etc. are using to detect the difference between the strains. How does my general practice physician tell me if I have the flu, Covid-19, Delta, or Lamdba? Honest question, because my local doctor was not able to give me an answer.
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Short answer: there is no off-the-shelf ready made test that's widely available to perform genetic sequencing.

The long answer: an influenza/coronavirus multiplex assay test will distinguish between influenza virus and coronavirus, so if your local practitioner has an in-house lab or contracts with a lab that can perform that type of test, the practitioner and the patient will receive that level of result: yes/no to coronavirus and yes/no to influenza. This is becoming more common in more areas, though I imagine there may be barriers of expense and/or availability if it requires brand new equipment or major modifications to existing. Some acquaintances have reported being swabbed for coronavirus separately from being swabbed for influenza during the same medical visit--this implies to me those practitioners don't yet have access to a lab with multiple assay capabilities.

Generally speaking, local practitioners aren't doing genomic sequencing for coronavirus variants because it isn't clinically indicated under current conditions and requires more specialized tools, so not every clinic/pharmacy/hospital or even laboratory is equipped. Instead, a portion of the specimens from such places--for which a yes/no to coronavirus has been provided already to the practitioner, closing the patient-specific encounter--are sent to specific labs for sequencing. IOW, the process isn't performed on every single coronavirus test specimen. Additionally, the results aren't routinely returned to practitioners and/or patients, because right now the treatment protocol is the same for various strains. Instead, the data are used in aggregate form, sliced and diced using various criteria for modeling things like which geographical regions are experiencing the highest rates of occurrence, which age groups or which ethnicities are being affected most, and so on, to shape broad responses at the clinical level and beyond.

If or when it becomes critical to the treatment plan at an individual level, genetic sequencing would be applied to most or all tests. Does that make sense? (For example, genetic sequencing is becoming more and more prevalent to individualize some cancer treatment plans--it just isn't excessively helpful for coronavirus patients right now.)

I'm not sure a patient or doctor can even request a sample be sent for sequencing--there may not be a mechanism in place yet for on-demand sequencing.
 
trflgrl said:
Short answer: there is no off-the-shelf ready made test that's widely available to perform genetic sequencing.

The long answer: an influenza/coronavirus multiplex assay test will distinguish between influenza virus and coronavirus, so if your local practitioner has an in-house lab or contracts with a lab that can perform that type of test, the practitioner and the patient will receive that level of result: yes/no to coronavirus and yes/no to influenza. This is becoming more common in more areas, though I imagine there may be barriers of expense and/or availability if it requires brand new equipment or major modifications to existing. Some acquaintances have reported being swabbed for coronavirus separately from being swabbed for influenza during the same medical visit--this implies to me those practitioners don't yet have access to a lab with multiple assay capabilities.

Generally speaking, local practitioners aren't doing genomic sequencing for coronavirus variants because it isn't clinically indicated under current conditions and requires more specialized tools, so not every clinic/pharmacy/hospital or even laboratory is equipped. Instead, a portion of the specimens from such places--for which a yes/no to coronavirus has been provided already to the practitioner, closing the patient-specific encounter--are sent to specific labs for sequencing. IOW, the process isn't performed on every single coronavirus test specimen. Additionally, the results aren't routinely returned to practitioners and/or patients, because right now the treatment protocol is the same for various strains. Instead, the data are used in aggregate form, sliced and diced using various criteria for modeling things like which geographical regions are experiencing the highest rates of occurrence, which age groups or which ethnicities are being affected most, and so on, to shape broad responses at the clinical level and beyond.

If or when it becomes critical to the treatment plan at an individual level, genetic sequencing would be applied to most or all tests. Does that make sense? (For example, genetic sequencing is becoming more and more prevalent to individualize some cancer treatment plans--it just isn't excessively helpful for coronavirus patients right now.)

I'm not sure a patient or doctor can even request a sample be sent for sequencing--there may not be a mechanism in place yet for on-demand sequencing.
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That is a “real time” PCR test right?
 
trflgrl said:
Do you mean is a real time PCR test genetic sequencing? No. (If I didn't understand your question right, please forgive!)
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You answered my question. I thought you might have been referring to the RT-PCR test, but you were not. You are saying that the only way to detect the difference currently, is by genetic sequencing, which the average physician has no ability to perform in his or her office?
 
Haden said:
You answered my question. I thought you might have been referring to the RT-PCR test, but you were not. You are saying that the only way to detect the difference currently, is by genetic sequencing, which the average physician has no ability to perform in his or her office?
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Correct--average physicians aren't equipped to identify coronavirus variants, only to say whether this coronavirus or antibodies to it are present.
 
So, fully vaccinated. Was exposed to COVID on July 23rd. Tested positive today because of some Ahole family members who were unvaxed and unmasked AND ignored their symptoms. I am totally asymptomatic but got tested because 1/3 of the funeral attendees had symptoms in the days following and tested positive. 1 year without the vaccine and I completely avoided the virus. 3 months after getting vaccine and now I have the f'ing thing.
 
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highslice said:
So, fully vaccinated. Was exposed to COVID on July 23rd. Tested positive today because of some Ahole family members who were unvaxed and unmasked AND ignored their symptoms. I am totally asymptomatic but got tested because 1/3 of the funeral attendees had symptoms in the days following and tested positive. 1 year without the vaccine and I completely avoided the virus. 3 months after getting vaccine and now I have the f'ing thing.
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How do you know it wasn't you who spread it?
 
highslice said:
So, fully vaccinated. Was exposed to COVID on July 23rd. Tested positive today because of some Ahole family members who were unvaxed and unmasked AND ignored their symptoms. I am totally asymptomatic but got tested because 1/3 of the funeral attendees had symptoms in the days following and tested positive. 1 year without the vaccine and I completely avoided the virus. 3 months after getting vaccine and now I have the f'ing thing.
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I have to laugh. You state you are “fully vaccinated”. Then why did you get COVID?????? How do you know there wasn’t someone else who was “fully vaccinated” that gave you Covid. I don’t understand your statement. Why would it have to be an unvaccinated ahole?
Everyone in the world will get this virus one way or another. This virus is not going away and obviously the vaccine is not working. It is only a matter of time before we all get COVID. IMHO
 
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highslice said:
So, fully vaccinated. Was exposed to COVID on July 23rd. Tested positive today because of some Ahole family members who were unvaxed and unmasked AND ignored their symptoms. I am totally asymptomatic but got tested because 1/3 of the funeral attendees had symptoms in the days following and tested positive. 1 year without the vaccine and I completely avoided the virus. 3 months after getting vaccine and now I have the f'ing thing.
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You being fully vaccinated, now blame “unvaccinated” family members for infecting you? I have never imagined becoming infected with Polio, Hepatitis B, Whooping Cough, Diphtheria, etc… after being vaccinated as a child. I don’t recall any parent I’m my lifetime being concerned that once they sent their 6 year old child to school, that child would become an infected Polio super spreader, and bring it back home to the parents or grandparents. I just seen on the news that US Senator Lindsey Graham stated positive for Covid-19 again, and he is “fully” vaccinated.
 
Creekwood said:
I respectfully disagree. Other than territorial disputes in the China sea, China has never been so aggressive as to want to take over the world rulership. So don't preach about lack of understanding of world affairs unless you can show me your degree or years of experience in international affairs. You can have your opinion, but don't imply mine is based on a "lack of understanding of world affairs".
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Seriously. Who the eff told you you were the expert on everything and anything? You seem very confident that all your opinions are factual and not to be questioned. To me it is a clear signal of your ignorance and arrogance.
 
kvduff said:
Seriously. Who the eff told you you were the expert on everything and anything? You seem very confident that all your opinions are factual and not to be questioned. To me it is a clear signal of your ignorance and arrogance.
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Opinions are just that. Facts are facts. Feel free to challenge or question anything I claim as fact. Its you that is saying my opinions are not to be questioned. I have never said that. I am not afraid to be wrong, and mature enough to know that I am not always right. I also am mature (old?) enough to know that all the easy issues were solved long ago. Only the really tough issues are left in the world. And most of them were around long before you or I were around on this rock. You have called me "ignorant" twice now. That's not my style to insult. I guess that is your opinion. I actually said mine was an opinion. I also said that if someone has a degree or years of experience in international affairs, and is of the view that China wants to take over rulership of the world feel free to wade in. Absent that, you and I are just two opinionated guys with boats on the internet.
 
Civility said:
I have to laugh. You state you are “fully vaccinated”. Then why did you get COVID?????? How do you know there wasn’t someone else who was “fully vaccinated” that gave you Covid. I don’t understand your statement. Why would it have to be an unvaccinated ahole?
Everyone in the world will get this virus one way or another. This virus is not going away and obviously the vaccine is not working. It is only a matter of time before we all get COVID. IMHO
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Why are people not getting how these vaccines work? Your immune system gets strengthened by the vaccines, not to "prevent" you from getting it. But to make sure that you don't get really sick. You get it, and your body fights it off better and faster than if you were not vaccinated. Its really simple.

And yes, the way its going with antivaxxers, everyone will get it eventually. But if they are vaccinated the will not get seriously sick. If they are not, there is more chance they will be hospitalized. The vast majority of people being hospitalized right now in the US are the unvaccinated. That is all the "proof" you need to know about about whether vaccines work as intended nor not.
 
Haden said:
You being fully vaccinated, now blame “unvaccinated” family members for infecting you? I have never imagined becoming infected with Polio, Hepatitis B, Whooping Cough, Diphtheria, etc… after being vaccinated as a child. I don’t recall any parent I’m my lifetime being concerned that once they sent their 6 year old child to school, that child would become an infected Polio super spreader, and bring it back home to the parents or grandparents. I just seen on the news that US Senator Lindsey Graham stated positive for Covid-19 again, and he is “fully” vaccinated.
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Civility said:
I have to laugh. You state you are “fully vaccinated”. Then why did you get COVID?????? How do you know there wasn’t someone else who was “fully vaccinated” that gave you Covid. I don’t understand your statement. Why would it have to be an unvaccinated ahole?
Everyone in the world will get this virus one way or another. This virus is not going away and obviously the vaccine is not working. It is only a matter of time before we all get COVID. IMHO
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Because said Ahole admitted to having symptoms and tested positive the next day. You guys are something fucking else. Glad I could give you a chuckle.
 
Haden said:
You being fully vaccinated, now blame “unvaccinated” family members for infecting you? I have never imagined becoming infected with Polio, Hepatitis B, Whooping Cough, Diphtheria, etc… after being vaccinated as a child. I don’t recall any parent I’m my lifetime being concerned that once they sent their 6 year old child to school, that child would become an infected Polio super spreader, and bring it back home to the parents or grandparents. I just seen on the news that US Senator Lindsey Graham stated positive for Covid-19 again, and he is “fully” vaccinated.
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WTF is your point, besides just rambling? I never worried about me or my kids getting the diseases you mentioned after vaccination. I am not "blaming" the person, they admitted to having symptoms the day before and testing positive the day after. Pretty simple.
 
Yorkshirelad said:
Get the shots and you won’t die! You may get a little sick, were as the anti vaccine people 95% who get the virus die, enough said.
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95% of people that get the covid don't die of or from it! Where do you get this crap from? Only 2% of people that get the covid die either of it or with it depending on which stats they are bending. It seems true that around 90 percent of the covid cases now are being diagnosed in patients that have not been vaccinated but still only 2% of those die. News flash, a brand new study was done and it turns out that almost 100% of humans will at some point in there life DIE. Some will meet their demise earlier than others based in part by their behavior or life style. I've decided to try and live as long as I can so I choose to use the resources afforded me to meet that goal, one of them being modern western medicine and some moderation in what I eat, drink and operate my boat. I took the vaccine and I think I'm better off for it. I am about to go back to face to face teaching and will be around 40 students for 6 hours a day like I was before the vaccine was available. It pisses me off that I have to wear a mask all day even though I am vaccinated because others have the freedom to risk their health and the health of those around them but this is America, still sort of the land of the free so in the end I'm ok with it.
 
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