So you got yourself COVID vaccine. Think you can’t get COVID? Think again.

jmauld said:
Oh I forgot.. Covid doesn’t kill people. It’s all a conspiracy.
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Guns don’t kill people either. N
jmauld said:
Go back to my first set of posts in this thread. I don’t agree that we should be discussing politics in here. (It’s clearly stated in the forum description.) So yes I am absolutely having fun and playing around. Although my thoughts are definitely not aligned with many of the ideas.
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You are starting to convince me you’re a troll. Bubye.
 
Of course COVID is real and people can die from it. So is the flu and 40,000 deaths per year for decades is also true.

The symptoms for COVID can range from nothing (unlike seasonal flu) to severe shortness of breath and pneumonia ( just like the flu). COVID can also leave chronic ailments as a result of high viral counts in some people.

But nobody dies from COVID. They die due to the autoimmune systems efforts to kill the virus in your body (pneumonia)

Those that have compromised autoimmune systems, chronic cardiovascular and respiratory disease, and obesity will struggle through to recovery. Full recovery can take years if at all.

As for the rest of the population you may go about your business but know you can catch COVID at any time or not at all, and you may not even know it.

No need to be scared.
 
Scoop: A rise in immigrant deaths from COVID-19

About 40% of undocumented immigrants who died on their way to the U.S. and ended up in a Falfurrias, Texas, morgue had contracted COVID-19 prior to their deaths.

https://www.axios.com/undocumented-...mic-46871c57-7421-40d9-8008-229bf6c14712.html

30% of immigrants in ICE custody have refused a coronavirus vaccine

https://www.axios.com/ice-immigrants-covid-vaccine-ee9406fe-7d83-4dce-b5be-c158e0d39f81.html

‘Got-Aways’ at the Border Why the mass migration crisis is more severe than official reporting suggests

an April 2 Washington Post story quoted anonymous CBP officials familiar with got-away data as saying nearly 1,000 people per day, 30,000 a month, are sneaking into the United States without being identified or taken into custody because agents are diverted to attend migrant families and unaccompanied children now pouring over the border in vast numbers.

https://cis.org/Bensman/GotAways-Border
 
jmauld said:
Ummmm, I said that very early on...
http://clubsearay.com/index.php?threads/so-you-got-yourself-covid-vaccine-think-you-can’t-get-covid-think-again.103003/page-50#post-1239405
I do apologize that it took this long to convince you that I was serious about having fun in this thread!
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Side note, what did you figure out with your dinghy? I just picked up a '19 Merc 9.9... manual start. The '06 I bought 6 weeks ago, while flawless and mint, has electric start which I'll never use. 94 vs 84 pounds. My wife thinks I'm nuts, but is glad I'm blowing pocket change on the dinghy vs the big boat!

Now back to covid.

What's the over / under on lockdowns starting back up?
 
Woody said:
Scoop: A rise in immigrant deaths from COVID-19

About 40% of undocumented immigrants who died on their way to the U.S. and ended up in a Falfurrias, Texas, morgue had contracted COVID-19 prior to their deaths.

https://www.axios.com/undocumented-...mic-46871c57-7421-40d9-8008-229bf6c14712.html

30% of immigrants in ICE custody have refused a coronavirus vaccine

https://www.axios.com/ice-immigrants-covid-vaccine-ee9406fe-7d83-4dce-b5be-c158e0d39f81.html

‘Got-Aways’ at the Border Why the mass migration crisis is more severe than official reporting suggests

an April 2 Washington Post story quoted anonymous CBP officials familiar with got-away data as saying nearly 1,000 people per day, 30,000 a month, are sneaking into the United States without being identified or taken into custody because agents are diverted to attend migrant families and unaccompanied children now pouring over the border in vast numbers.

https://cis.org/Bensman/GotAways-Border
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Biden and his cronies should be indicted and held responsible for all the US citizens who get the vyyyyrus from these illegal aliens.
 
northern said:
We dealt with chemicals that had a zero time exposure and crews were only allowed to work in 100 PPM parts per million or less. The equipment we had were good for 8 hour exposure time. Crews were tested after a job and they had no residual effect. Reduced exposure by inferior equipment could have probably harmed them. I took biochemistry in college. We were exposed to items that would kill you if you did not handle them correctly. What we learned was a small exposure would do the same harm as a large. I have no idea about covid but health officials say it is extremely contagious that to me indicate a little exposure will have the same effect as a large exposure. Sort of like being a little pregnant.
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You've raised a great point, and here's some more detail for it: how contagious a virus is describes how easily it can transmit from host to host, or its reproduction rate. This is often depicted as how many people one infected person typically infects. Seasonal influenza in the US usually is estimated as between 1:1 and 1:2; in the early phases of the pandemic, with no controls in place, coronavirus was tracking at 1:6, 1:7, and higher in some areas (and remain that high in some even today). However, being highly contagious doesn't mean that ANY level of exposure equals a bad situation.

So your point about being pregnant--but more accurately GETTING pregnant--may be a great analogy.

As a result of intercourse with no barrier/chemical/other control methods in use, millions of sperm have an opportunity to fertilize an egg. If you introduce a barrier such as a condom, you dramatically reduce the chance of successful fertilization, though it still could occur due to leakage, etc. Likewise, if you add a second barrier like a cervical cap or diaphragm, you reduce the chances even more--condom leakage that makes it into the recipient's reproductive tract may be reduced again or possibly stopped entirely before it reaches its target.

This is a way to think about masking, as well. A mask on a person exhaling coronavirus equals the condom--the first and most important physical barrier to keep the virus molecules from leaving the source and dispersing into the air. Of course, the quality and method of use for a mask can affect how much virus escapes an infected person, just as the quality of the condom and whether a person uses it correctly can affect how much sperm escapes. Masks on other people are the next layer of prevention--yes, some molecules may make it through, but not the entire amount available in the environment. Again, quality matters for all mask wearers, but this isn't an either/or equation that if people don't have the highest grade/professional equipment they may as well go without, as was true in your chemical exposure situation.

Viral load is under scrutiny, and early indications are that the amount of virus a person is exposed to may be an important factor in the magnitude of infection/illness, so reduction of exposure via masking and other methods remains a key consideration.
 
trflgrl said:
You've raised a great point, and here's some more detail for it: how contagious a virus is describes how easily it can transmit from host to host, or its reproduction rate. This is often depicted as how many people one infected person typically infects. Seasonal influenza in the US usually is estimated as between 1:1 and 1:2; in the early phases of the pandemic, with no controls in place, coronavirus was tracking at 1:6, 1:7, and higher in some areas (and remain that high in some even today). However, being highly contagious doesn't mean that ANY level of exposure equals a bad situation.

So your point about being pregnant--but more accurately GETTING pregnant--may be a great analogy.

As a result of intercourse with no barrier/chemical/other control methods in use, millions of sperm have an opportunity to fertilize an egg. If you introduce a barrier such as a condom, you dramatically reduce the chance of successful fertilization, though it still could occur due to leakage, etc. Likewise, if you add a second barrier like a cervical cap or diaphragm, you reduce the chances even more--condom leakage that makes it into the recipient's reproductive tract may be reduced again or possibly stopped entirely before it reaches its target.

This is a way to think about masking, as well. A mask on a person exhaling coronavirus equals the condom--the first and most important physical barrier to keep the virus molecules from leaving the source and dispersing into the air. Of course, the quality and method of use for a mask can affect how much virus escapes an infected person, just as the quality of the condom and whether a person uses it correctly can affect how much sperm escapes. Masks on other people are the next layer of prevention--yes, some molecules may make it through, but not the entire amount available in the environment. Again, quality matters for all mask wearers, but this isn't an either/or equation that if people don't have the highest grade/professional equipment they may as well go without, as was true in your chemical exposure situation.

Viral load is under scrutiny, and early indications are that the amount of virus a person is exposed to may be an important factor in the magnitude of infection/illness, so reduction of exposure via masking and other methods remains a key consideration.
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This is a ridiculous perspective and analogy. The comparison of a condom to sperm vs a mask to the smallest living organisms on this planet is ignorance.

Mask that by the tiny tyrants own words early on had no effect of preventing COVID transmission.

In fact, the “mask” most wear was never designed nor intended as a prophylactic against SARS viruses.

Besides, if masks were so effective, why then are the 50k illegal aliens crossing the southern border NOT required to mask up? Instead they’re flown on our dime by our military and delivered all over the country, unannounced.

:rolleyes:
 
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Woody said:

30% of immigrants in ICE custody have refused a coronavirus vaccine
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Nice!! I respect these immigrants for the fact that 70% have accepted the vaccine. Now if we could just get our selfish and mis-informed fellow Americans to get to 70% acceptance we might actually have a chance at shutting this pandemic down.
 
firecadet613 said:
Side note, what did you figure out with your dinghy? I just picked up a '19 Merc 9.9... manual start. The '06 I bought 6 weeks ago, while flawless and mint, has electric start which I'll never use. 94 vs 84 pounds. My wife thinks I'm nuts, but is glad I'm blowing pocket change on the dinghy vs the big boat!

Now back to covid.

What's the over / under on lockdowns starting back up?
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Holy crap you are like the outboard ninja!!
 
Cigarette smoking is responsible for more than 480,000 deaths per year in the United States, including more than 41,000 deaths resulting from secondhand smoke exposure. This is about one in five deaths annually, or 1,300 deaths every day.Mar 23, 2020

where is the outrage…..where is the banning of cigarettes….instead the government taxes the crap out of them to make money on killing citizens….. so if there was a magic vaccine to stop everyone from smoking (which there is sort of) would the government make us all take them….. or is treating lung cancer more lucrative for their campaigns ?
 
The new tragedy that is soon to be mainstreamed are the needless deaths to senior citizens in nursing homes.

Nobody is talking about it because Biden’s DOJ has come to Cuomo, Wittmer and other Governor’s rescue.

The numbers being whispered around hospitals that own or have an interest in a LTC or nursing home is 50%!!!!

Govenors in blue states mandated COVID positive elderly mixed in to nursing homes. Many elderly died as a result and it’s not being reported YET but it will soon become the next scandal the Dems will hush.

How’s that Biden working for ya?
 
El Capitan said:
This is a ridiculous perspective and analogy. The comparison of a condom to sperm vs a mask to the smallest living organisms on this planet is ignorance.

Mask that by the tiny tyrants own words early on had no effect of preventing COVID transmission.

In fact, the “mask” most wear was never designed nor intended as a prophylactic against SARS viruses.
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I keep seeing posts by you implying this. Do you actually believe a properly fitted medical (surgical) N95 does not work against a virus? I assume you are referring to clothe and surgical procedure "masks" and not N95 "respirators". Do you have any background to support this other than you know someone that is a nurse? Is there something special about a SARS virus that lets it blow through a medical/surgical N95?
 
alnav said:
So you agree with the statement in the video that the percentage of infection by vaccine (all way less than 1%) is "compelling evidence that the vaccines work" as stated twice in your video?
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Didn't watch the video. Found a link to what I saw earlier - that 25% of COVID cases in July are from those vaccinated. Seems pretty damming that the vaccine is a miss. And Israel is now saying you'll need a booster every 6 months...for something that is 98%+ survivable....especially if they have treatments - which they do.

Have you seen the Pfizer contract - which states even IF they have treatments...the contract is still effect...
 
Blueone said:
Cigarette smoking is responsible for more than 480,000 deaths per year in the United States, including more than 41,000 deaths resulting from secondhand smoke exposure. This is about one in five deaths annually, or 1,300 deaths every day.Mar 23, 2020

where is the outrage…..where is the banning of cigarettes….instead the government taxes the crap out of them to make money on killing citizens….. so if there was a magic vaccine to stop everyone from smoking (which there is sort of) would the government make us all take them….. or is treating lung cancer more lucrative for their campaigns ?
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Don’t give them any ideas.
 
Four Suns said:
I keep seeing posts by you implying this. Do you actually believe a properly fitted medical (surgical) N95 does not work against a virus? I assume you are referring to clothe and surgical procedure "masks" and not N95 "respirators". Do you have any background to support this other than you know someone that is a nurse? Is there something special about a SARS virus that lets it blow through a medical/surgical N95?
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In the last year and a half I may have seen 2-3 N95’s which btw are not 100% failsafe either.

Look up the size of this virus. Then look up the filtration capabilities of the mask 99% of the public are wearing.

Draw your own conclusions but let’s not go into condoms and sperm as a valid analogy for Pete’s sakes.

Lastly, I earned 3 clinical cardiology credentials, worked in the OR and worn your masks for the right reasons and worn as they are intended, and today I’m in the units 2-3 day/week in hospitals across the country.

Any other intelligent questions?
 
El Capitan said:
In the last year and a half I may have seen 2-3 N95’s which btw are not 100% failsafe either.

Look up the size of this virus. Then look up the filtration capabilities of the mask 99% of the public are wearing.

Draw your own conclusions but let’s not go into condoms and sperm as a valid analogy for Pete’s sakes.
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I don't think people generally understand how N95s work and they assume that 0.3 micron mechanical blockage is the limit. That is not how they work. The smaller the particle, the more efficient they become due to the electrostatic charge and something called Brownian motion. Most well made medical N95s block almost 100% of virus sized particles if they have properly sized breathing chamber and properly charged melt blown. If you believe in HEPA filters, it's the same science. People see "95%" and all of a sudden they are experts. That's not how they work. The 95% number is for particles a little less than 0.3 microns and it is the worst performance between mechanical blockage and diffusion (Brownian motion).

I agree that 99% of the masks the public wears are bullshit. It's not that masks don't work... it's the wrong masks don't work. N95 science has been around in infectious disease way before covid hit and it does work and blocking TB and other nasties.
 
Don't forget about all the dem's releasing criminals from the prisons to protect them???? WTF??? So a person that is known (and proven) to not follow directions would be better served out in the wild? Do you really think they stayed home for the betterment of society? They would have been safer (as well as the rest of the law-abiding citizens) staying in prison. A new prisoner comes in then quarantine them in solitary before dumping them into general population. What? That would violate their civil rights. Well better to violate their civil rights or be out there commiting more crime and infecting others? They don't like it then don't do the crime. But let the dem's release them all so they can get their votes too
 
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