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I have to ask even though i know the answer, Survey came back and said signs of moisture in these areas. Saw readings in 12-17 range on his meter. He said he would still purchase if owner was willing to compensate for the issue but my gut is saying to bail. any thoughts my marine is saying anywhere from 20-25K to repair which seems high.
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When we bought ours we had a couple spots that the survey indicated moisture and we were compensated for the cost of repair in the selling price. Most of the spots were false alarms. But hassles with the TNT lift made up for that. Are the spots registering delamination from the ball-peen hammer tap? In those cases we were able to repair by drilling a small hole (or two) and injecting epoxy. Pretty simple an inexpensive. The false alarms after peeling back the glass made me distrust the meter a bit, or at least take them as indicators, not necessarily proof that you've got catastrophic damage lurking under the surface. Another tact is to have the owner fix it and you take it after it passes survey... But I have no regrets in taking the risk on what was billed as $10-15k in work.
 
Mystery water in the front bilge: Does anyone else have this handy-work under the guest bunk? There is a small cuttout in the subfloor for a thru hull where there used to be an Electro San system. I had that removed and the thru hull capped. It is not sealed around the bottom edges of the cuttout. I believe for several years I've had water collect in this area at a relatively slow rate - appears to come up from the bottom under the subfloor. I cannot figure out where its coming from. I've run fresh water systems, vacu-flush systems, and AC/Heat systems, monitored the sump, all independently and at the same time. I can not catch the source! I clean it out and wait. It will stay dry, and then one day water starts to appear in that area. Its often dirty water but I haven't tasted it...Doesn't smell bad enough to be sewer. If left unattended, eventually the water will reach the auto bilge pump and kick it on (when in motion) . Anybody have this issue? Ideas of where the water could be coming from? Any idea of what drains to this area or could find its way down there?
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Most recent theories:
1. Sump overflows when moving or in cases where it can't keep up with input. (but I've seen this happen when not in motion) (and it appears to keep up fine with all faucets and showers running simultaneously)
2. Some external drain into this area due to rain and boat washes - windows, chain locker, some other leaky point?

I'm at a loss here and tired of vacuuming it out all the time. Appreciate the forum's thoughts.

Gerrit
 
Owner had second survey done and a third party to go over boat as the hull only. It all worked out and Sea trial went great today.

Looking forward to the summer!!


dgerrit said:
When we bought ours we had a couple spots that the survey indicated moisture and we were compensated for the cost of repair in the selling price. Most of the spots were false alarms. But hassles with the TNT lift made up for that. Are the spots registering delamination from the ball-peen hammer tap? In those cases we were able to repair by drilling a small hole (or two) and injecting epoxy. Pretty simple an inexpensive. The false alarms after peeling back the glass made me distrust the meter a bit, or at least take them as indicators, not necessarily proof that you've got catastrophic damage lurking under the surface. Another tact is to have the owner fix it and you take it after it passes survey... But I have no regrets in taking the risk on what was billed as $10-15k in work.
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dgerrit said:
Mystery water in the front bilge: Does anyone else have this handy-work under the guest bunk? There is a small cuttout in the subfloor for a thru hull where there used to be an Electro San system. I had that removed and the thru hull capped. It is not sealed around the bottom edges of the cuttout. I believe for several years I've had water collect in this area at a relatively slow rate - appears to come up from the bottom under the subfloor. I cannot figure out where its coming from. I've run fresh water systems, vacu-flush systems, and AC/Heat systems, monitored the sump, all independently and at the same time. I can not catch the source! I clean it out and wait. It will stay dry, and then one day water starts to appear in that area. Its often dirty water but I haven't tasted it...Doesn't smell bad enough to be sewer. If left unattended, eventually the water will reach the auto bilge pump and kick it on (when in motion) . Anybody have this issue? Ideas of where the water could be coming from? Any idea of what drains to this area or could find its way down there?
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Most recent theories:
1. Sump overflows when moving or in cases where it can't keep up with input. (but I've seen this happen when not in motion) (and it appears to keep up fine with all faucets and showers running simultaneously)
2. Some external drain into this area due to rain and boat washes - windows, chain locker, some other leaky point?

I'm at a loss here and tired of vacuuming it out all the time. Appreciate the forum's thoughts.

Gerrit
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That whole installation is custom. Possibly no one else has it. The seacock doesn’t look nearly as clean as I’d expect being in a climate controlled living space. It’s possible is weeping water through the seacock to hull joint or through the bottom of the hose or both. If it were me the next time I hauled I’d pay the money to have it removed and reglassed.

After that, the front windshield is notorious for leaking. No telling what route that rainwater takes and where it ends up. Could possibly be a source as well as any of the port windows. Does its presence correlate with dry spells and rain?
 
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jzanthony said:
Owner had second survey done and a third party to go over boat as the hull only. It all worked out and Sea trial went great today.

Looking forward to the summer!!
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“owner had second survey done”.

Was the first survey YOUR survey? That is, was that a survey you paid for or have they all been paid for by the seller? I think it’s important that the buyer have a surveyor looking at the boat that works for him, so as to avoid conflicts of interest.
 
ZZ13 said:
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That whole installation is custom. Possibly no one else has it. The seacock doesn’t look nearly as clean as I’d expect being in a climate controlled living space. It’s possible is weeping water through the seacock to hull joint or through the bottom of the hose or both. If it were me the next time I hauled I’d pay the money to have it removed and reglassed.

After that, the front windshield is notorious for leaking. No telling what route that rainwater takes and where it ends up. Could possibly be a source as well as any of the port windows. Does its presence correlate with dry spells and rain?
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I had the seacock inspected a few months ago when I had it hauled (I agree it doesn't look good for where it is). In hindsight I think you're right and I should have had it glassed in to remove the variable. But I thought a future owner may want to put a sanitation treatment system back in...The symptoms do not seem consistent with a leak from it as it stays dry for long spells of sitting and during operating. It seems more correlated to use of the house systems - fresh water, toilet, plumbing, AC...or possibly water intrusion from rain/washing. It doesn't rain much here in Nor Cal but I do have it washed every 2 weeks. I would think I'd see evidence of window leaks on interior etc, but I'll do some investigation on those.

Scouring the forums here I found an instance where the fresh water line (fitting) to the master shower was producing a similar condition of water under the subfloor. But I can't reproduce the condition by running the water so I don't think I have a fresh water leak. And the water is usually pretty dirty - brownish. I'm wondering what else would drain to this area. As I type this, I'm thinking about the galley sink drain and hose...

Usually after a wash or rain I get a bit of water in the engine compartment (I think through the air vents on the sides) but no evidence forward. But I cannot think of an instance where I found water in that area when there hasn't been either a rain or a wash since it was last dry...
 
dgerrit said:
I had the seacock inspected a few months ago when I had it hauled (I agree it doesn't look good for where it is). In hindsight I think you're right and I should have had it glassed in to remove the variable. But I thought a future owner may want to put a sanitation treatment system back in...The symptoms do not seem consistent with a leak from it as it stays dry for long spells of sitting and during operating. It seems more correlated to use of the house systems - fresh water, toilet, plumbing, AC...or possibly water intrusion from rain/washing. It doesn't rain much here in Nor Cal but I do have it washed every 2 weeks. I would think I'd see evidence of window leaks on interior etc, but I'll do some investigation on those.

Scouring the forums here I found an instance where the fresh water line (fitting) to the master shower was producing a similar condition of water under the subfloor. But I can't reproduce the condition by running the water so I don't think I have a fresh water leak. And the water is usually pretty dirty - brownish. I'm wondering what else would drain to this area. As I type this, I'm thinking about the galley sink drain and hose...

Usually after a wash or rain I get a bit of water in the engine compartment (I think through the air vents on the sides) but no evidence forward. But I cannot think of an instance where I found water in that area when there hasn't been either a rain or a wash since it was last dry...
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Good luck. You’ll find the source eventually. If you pull out the fridge there is a cutout to access the master shower connections. So you could check those connections if you get adventurous. Drain line is a good theory. Could try plugging each shower drain at the sump and then filling up the shower pans and see what happens.
 
scooper321 said:
“owner had second survey done”.

Was the first survey YOUR survey? That is, was that a survey you paid for or have they all been paid for by the seller? I think it’s important that the buyer have a surveyor looking at the boat that works for him, so as to avoid conflicts of interest.
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I agree 100%. I think you still need resolution on the first survey's findings - or at least come to terms with a potential issue in the future. The hull is critical but the deck work is no joke. A third party, or boat yard, should do more investigation on the areas of concern to give you some comfort - don't put blinders on and ignore it.

My interpretation of the survey world is you have a "buyers" and a "sellers" type and I think brokers play their cards. You want the "buyers" one who will find every knit picky thing and let you determine what's important.
 
dgerrit said:
I had the seacock inspected a few months ago when I had it hauled (I agree it doesn't look good for where it is). In hindsight I think you're right and I should have had it glassed in to remove the variable. But I thought a future owner may want to put a sanitation treatment system back in...The symptoms do not seem consistent with a leak from it as it stays dry for long spells of sitting and during operating. It seems more correlated to use of the house systems - fresh water, toilet, plumbing, AC...or possibly water intrusion from rain/washing. It doesn't rain much here in Nor Cal but I do have it washed every 2 weeks. I would think I'd see evidence of window leaks on interior etc, but I'll do some investigation on those.

Scouring the forums here I found an instance where the fresh water line (fitting) to the master shower was producing a similar condition of water under the subfloor. But I can't reproduce the condition by running the water so I don't think I have a fresh water leak. And the water is usually pretty dirty - brownish. I'm wondering what else would drain to this area. As I type this, I'm thinking about the galley sink drain and hose...

Usually after a wash or rain I get a bit of water in the engine compartment (I think through the air vents on the sides) but no evidence forward. But I cannot think of an instance where I found water in that area when there hasn't been either a rain or a wash since it was last dry...
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That "dirty water" is more likely water that has soaked in wood giving it that color. You have a leak somewhere, and it's coming into contact with some bare wood, or wood core.
 
We have our own survey, he had one as well. the other was the local fibreglass and repair shop.

scooper321 said:
“owner had second survey done”.

Was the first survey YOUR survey? That is, was that a survey you paid for or have they all been paid for by the seller? I think it’s important that the buyer have a surveyor looking at the boat that works for him, so as to avoid conflicts of interest.
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Has anyone with a circa 2000 400DB replaced the salon curtains with blinds? If so who did the blinds?
 
Juergen said:
planning to replace both of my Cruisair AC units. Any recommendations to what brand and models to use?
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Take a serious look at these units. https://www.marinaire.com/

Yes, chinese made, but I have known people that bought them and have zero problems. If I need to replace another unit, this is what I'm going with. I'm not impressed with Dometic's units anymore, they are pricey and questionable.
 
Steve S said:
Has anyone with a circa 2000 400DB replaced the salon curtains with blinds? If so who did the blinds?
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I did a poor mans version where I made a filler for the front quarter of the windows. That way I just could buy a blind to size from blinds.com. RayO here on CSR has a custom blind the previous owner had made that fills the whole window. But we have no idea who did it. Pictures of both mine and his are somewhere on this thread.
 
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