COVID vaccine or not ?

Will you get the COVID vaccine?...

  • Heck yes.. first in line

    Votes: 54 45.4%
  • You go first and I will wait and see

    Votes: 35 29.4%
  • I am already part of the herd

    Votes: 9 7.6%
  • Absolutely not

    Votes: 21 17.6%

  • Total voters
    119
I had heard that one of the companies will not charge for their vaccine and another had said they are selling their vaccine to the gov't for $37/vaccine.
 
I keep hearing TV newscasters talking about 'false claims' in regards to election fraud. Do they have proof they are false? Maybe they are but they are not reporting facts like they should be. If I falsely claim my neighbor punched me and the police show up then call the chief and say I made a false claim? Until they have completed their investigation they have no idea if it was false. And this started back a few days after the election before any investigating was done. Nobody knew if they were false yet the media reported 'false claims'. More of the media reporting false information.
 
I understood govt gave money up front for vaccines
Probably true. I'm sure they paid for all research then had to buy it back...lol
 
Wow. Stooping pretty low there.

But let me pose this question...and I don't know the answer but I suspect that since an asymptomatic person can still spread it I am assuming a person who has gotten the vaccine can still spread it? If that is the case then it doesn't make any difference to you if your next door neighbor got the vaccine or not?[/QUOT

Wow, I can’t believe you said this. If someone gets the vaccine, they most likely will not get the virus and therefore cannot spread it. Think!
 
I was down with the sickness. If it wasn't for the fact that I tested positive, I'd have said I just had the flu. Three days of muscle aches and stuffy nose, but no fever. Knocked back the muscle aches with acetaminophin, then just a general malaise for about two weeks. I'm 60, have had a heart attack about 5 years ago, and on meds for blood pressure and cholesterol. I'll wait a bit to see how the initial vaccines go.

You might not be so lucky next time.
 
Wow. Shocking to read so many here are sheep. So much information available about vaccines yet people will put something in their body without knowing what it is due to fear.

Dude. I have no idea what your point is here?

It’s disappointing to say the least to realize that people well-to-do enough to afford a luxury like a Sea Ray are so ignorant, ill-informed, uneducated and in some cases just plain stupid.

I’ll offer this morsel of information
only because I’m sure the cancel mob here can’t handle the truth.

There is no single vaccine. There are several and they all act differently. Not all vaccines are suitable for all age groups and risk profiles.

I suggest some of you should put down your parts catalogs, spend less time browsing brochures and go read the research about these “vaccines” you’re about to take.

Keep in mind 10’s of thousands of people take the flu vaccine every year. We still have the flu and many still die from the simple flu.

Good luck.
 
Think? Well saw a medical professional on TV the other day that said even with the vaccine you may be able to transmit COVID. Suppose you are smarter than him though?
 
Ya...sometimes saying and doing is a little tough down here...same with tests
And Mexico paying for walls.... and eliminating Obama care... and locking up Hillary.... and beating a guy campaigning from his basement....
 
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And Mexico paying for walls.... and eliminating Obama care... and locking up Hillary.... and beating a guy campaigning from his basement....
Mostly true.... but there were some positives... all be it in 4 years in a hostile environment and before COVID

Economy
  • Almost 4 million jobs created since 2016 election.
  • More Americans are now employed than ever recorded before in our history.
  • Created more than 400,000 manufacturing jobs since 2016 election.
  • Manufacturing jobs grew at the fastest rate in more than three decades.
  • Economic growth has been as high as 4.2 percent.
  • New unemployment claims hit a 49-year low.
  • Median household income hit highest level ever recorded.
  • The Wall Street Journal’s Eric Morath and Jeffrey Sparshott report: “Pay for the bottom 25% of wage earners rose 4.5% in November from a year earlier, according to the Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta. Wages for the top 25% of earners rose 2.9%. Similarly, the Atlanta Fed found wages for low-skilled workers have accelerated since early 2018, and last month matched the pace of high-skill workers for the first time since 2010.”
  • African-American, Hispanic-American, Asian-American, women and youth unemployment were the lowest rates ever recorded.
  • Lowest unemployment rate ever recorded for Americans without a high school diploma.
  • Veterans’ unemployment recently reached its lowest rate in nearly 20 years.
  • Tax relief
  • An Opportunity Zone is a designation and investment program created by the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017 allowing for certain investments in lower income areas to have tax advantages.
  • The biggest package of tax cuts and reforms in history. All economic classes benefited.
  • Small businesses will have the lowest top marginal tax rate in more than 80 years.
Healthcare
  • Providing more affordable healthcare options for Americans through association health plans and short-term duration plans. They will cover pre-existing conditions
  • Preserving the 180M health plans provided by employers
  • Many drug companies are freezing or reversing planned price increases.
  • Reformed the Medicare program, saving seniors hundreds of millions of dollars this year alone.
  • Signed Right-To-Try legislation.
  • Secured $6 billion in new funding to fight the opioid epidemic.
  • Reduced high-dose opioid prescriptions by 16 percent during first year in office.
  • Signed VA Choice Act and VA Accountability Act, expanded VA telehealth services, walk-in-clinics, and same-day urgent primary and mental health care.

Military
  • Secured record military funding leading to a restoration of world-wide strength.
  • Encouraged NATO allies to spend $69 billion more since 2016.
Judiciary
  • Given the lack of judges left by Obama/Biden, more circuit court judges have been confirmed than any other new administration.
  • Will have had three Supreme Court Justices confirmed by the end of October.
  • Unlike Biden/Harris/Sanders/AOC, President Trump has no interest in packing the Supreme Court.

Energy
  • Facilitated fracking.
  • Became energy independent.
  • The United States is now a net exporter of cheap natural gas for the first time since 1957.
  • From the Wall Street Journal: “Energy-related CO2 emissions in the U.S. fell 2.8% last year. The U.S. saw the largest decline in energy-related CO2 emissions in 2019 on a country basis due to a 15% reduction in the use of coal”

Treaties
  • Facilitated treaties between Israel and two Middle East countries.
  • Moved the U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem.
  • A U.S.-Mexico-Canada Trade Deal to replace NAFTA.
  • An agreement with the E.U. to increase U.S. exports.
  • Imposed tariffs on China in response to China’s forced technology transfer, intellectual property theft, and their chronically abusive trade practices.
 
Mostly true.... but there were some positives... all be it in 4 years in a hostile environment and before COVID

Economy
  • Almost 4 million jobs created since 2016 election.
  • More Americans are now employed than ever recorded before in our history.
  • Created more than 400,000 manufacturing jobs since 2016 election.
  • Manufacturing jobs grew at the fastest rate in more than three decades.
  • Economic growth has been as high as 4.2 percent.
  • New unemployment claims hit a 49-year low.
  • Median household income hit highest level ever recorded.
  • The Wall Street Journal’s Eric Morath and Jeffrey Sparshott report: “Pay for the bottom 25% of wage earners rose 4.5% in November from a year earlier, according to the Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta. Wages for the top 25% of earners rose 2.9%. Similarly, the Atlanta Fed found wages for low-skilled workers have accelerated since early 2018, and last month matched the pace of high-skill workers for the first time since 2010.”
  • African-American, Hispanic-American, Asian-American, women and youth unemployment were the lowest rates ever recorded.
  • Lowest unemployment rate ever recorded for Americans without a high school diploma.
  • Veterans’ unemployment recently reached its lowest rate in nearly 20 years.
  • Tax relief
  • An Opportunity Zone is a designation and investment program created by the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017 allowing for certain investments in lower income areas to have tax advantages.
  • The biggest package of tax cuts and reforms in history. All economic classes benefited.
  • Small businesses will have the lowest top marginal tax rate in more than 80 years.
Healthcare
  • Providing more affordable healthcare options for Americans through association health plans and short-term duration plans. They will cover pre-existing conditions
  • Preserving the 180M health plans provided by employers
  • Many drug companies are freezing or reversing planned price increases.
  • Reformed the Medicare program, saving seniors hundreds of millions of dollars this year alone.
  • Signed Right-To-Try legislation.
  • Secured $6 billion in new funding to fight the opioid epidemic.
  • Reduced high-dose opioid prescriptions by 16 percent during first year in office.
  • Signed VA Choice Act and VA Accountability Act, expanded VA telehealth services, walk-in-clinics, and same-day urgent primary and mental health care.

Military
  • Secured record military funding leading to a restoration of world-wide strength.
  • Encouraged NATO allies to spend $69 billion more since 2016.
Judiciary
  • Given the lack of judges left by Obama/Biden, more circuit court judges have been confirmed than any other new administration.
  • Will have had three Supreme Court Justices confirmed by the end of October.
  • Unlike Biden/Harris/Sanders/AOC, President Trump has no interest in packing the Supreme Court.

Energy
  • Facilitated fracking.
  • Became energy independent.
  • The United States is now a net exporter of cheap natural gas for the first time since 1957.
  • From the Wall Street Journal: “Energy-related CO2 emissions in the U.S. fell 2.8% last year. The U.S. saw the largest decline in energy-related CO2 emissions in 2019 on a country basis due to a 15% reduction in the use of coal”

Treaties
  • Facilitated treaties between Israel and two Middle East countries.
  • Moved the U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem.
  • A U.S.-Mexico-Canada Trade Deal to replace NAFTA.
  • An agreement with the E.U. to increase U.S. exports.
  • Imposed tariffs on China in response to China’s forced technology transfer, intellectual property theft, and their chronically abusive trade practices.

Yeah. But other than that, what has he done? :)
 
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How about a little humor for the day.
 
Not sure what point your trying to make about no one got sick or died.
As do this morning, 14,724,057 positive cases, 284,528 deaths.
So if it doesn’t happen to anyone in your family, the virus doesn’t exist?
Luckily, no one in my family has gotten sick or died, but I’ve had customers/work associates get sick and die.
My wife is a COVID nurse and sees someone getting sick and die every day. Thank god she’s going to be one of those first in line for the vaccine. As for me, I’m immune compromised and do my part to help slow the spread by social distancing and mask wearing. And as soon as I can, I’ll be getting the vaccine. A little discomfort far outweighs the possibility of contracting COVID-19, whether I’m a symptomatic or get sick and die.
The point I was trying to make is that yes, people get sick and yes people die from the virus. However, the numbers no one seems to want to report is, something like 99.7% of Americans DON’T get the virus and of those that do, less than .5% die. And yes, some people are more susceptible to the virus than others. I don’t feel I am but I am rarely sick and I’m 70 and in good health. My ex-wife caught every cold, flu and virus that came along. She was always sick. My current wife is a Type 1 diabetic with horrible allergies but she rarely gets the flu or a cold. As a side note we are pretty sure my wife had this virus back in late December along with her brother. BTW I’ve gotten 2 flu shots in my life....I got the flu those 2 years.

In my mind it comes down to this....do what YOU feel you need to do to stay healthy. If you feel you need to lock yourself in then do it. If you feel that wearing a mask in the car when you are alone protects you then go ahead even if you do look ridiculous. If you want to wear a mask while taking a walk along the beach or on a forest trail go ahead. That’s up to you. But I’m telling you, when you walk into a restaurant the air at the door is the same air at your table. And you stand a better chance of getting the virus in a Walmart or Home Depot than you do in a Mom & Pop hardware or a nail salon.

My real problem is the gross hypocrisy in all of this. An example is how it’s OK and allowed, to assemble to protest Social Injustices or to hold a “peaceful” demonstration to defund the police but, a white restaurant/bar owner on Staten Island is told he will have shut down refuses to comply because he can’t afford to, the crowd that assembles to support him is told to disperse as they are violating C-19 restrictions. That is the bullshit in all of this.

So I say, if you feel you need to stay in, wear a mask and get the vaccine then by all means....do it. For me, I’m comfortable with my environment, know my circle and what I feel is safe. It’s my life. I get tested about once a month so I know I don’t have it. I also just came back from a week in Aruba and survived. I do wear a mask where required but I’m seeing more and more not wearing them.

LET THE HYPOCRISY CONTINUE!
 
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I see this fascist experiment run by global elites is right on schedule.

People bantering meaninglessly the dribble drabble they’ve herdor read in the mind altering media outlets.

In the meantime the U.S. becomes Venezuela and the great reset starts in January.

Boy, they knew exactly how to herd the sheep.
 
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All those things We the People have benefited from in the last 4 yrs mean that we don't need to rely on DC and DC doesn't like not being in control. As long as the States are okay being extorted for excepting Federal fund we'll go right back to where we were. In the end they try to fool us with the fight between left right red blue but I'm starting to think behind closed doors they are all in it together and they are playing all of us for fools. I hope that is a load of horse shit but more and more I'm thinking it's not. With all that said it's no wonder people are having a hard time believing anything these day about Covid or anything else coming out of DC. DC. used to have rules that governed their actions between the parties in the last 8 yrs. they have thrown them out the window and this is what's left a Government of excuses not solutions and over reach of control.
 
All those things We the People have benefited from in the last 4 yrs mean that we don't need to rely on DC and DC doesn't like not being in control. As long as the States are okay being extorted for excepting Federal fund we'll go right back to where we were. In the end they try to fool us with the fight between left right red blue but I'm starting to think behind closed doors they are all in it together and they are playing all of us for fools. I hope that is a load of horse shit but more and more I'm thinking it's not. With all that said it's no wonder people are having a hard time believing anything these day about Covid or anything else coming out of DC. DC. used to have rules that governed their actions between the parties in the last 8 yrs. they have thrown them out the window and this is what's left a Government of excuses not solutions and over reach of control.
Well they are all in it together and playing us for fools. I was talking with a local Congressman about the R&D Credit which constantly has to be extended. When ask, why it can't just be permanent, he said they need the issue to "run on." If the problems where actually solved, what would they run on?
 
People not wanting to get the vaccine are only going to harm themselves and not the ones that are vaccinated. At some point they will run into problems being able to do anything. I expect many businesses will require it (cruises, air travel, etc), eventually schools will as well once it's approved for children and it will become a condition of employment in many occupations. It's fine to not take it, that is an individual choice but living with the repercussions is also a choice. At that point if they still don't want to do it then Darwin will figure it out.
 
People not wanting to get the vaccine are only going to harm themselves and not the ones that are vaccinated. At some point they will run into problems being able to do anything. I expect many businesses will require it (cruises, air travel, etc), eventually schools will as well once it's approved for children and it will become a condition of employment in many occupations. It's fine to not take it, that is an individual choice but living with the repercussions is also a choice. At that point if they still don't want to do it then Darwin will figure it out.
It would be unconstitutional to deny someone’s rights because they don’t have the vaccine ..... like today you can’t deny a kid an education because the kid doesn’t have all his shots.....yet the school requires them but still allows them in without the vaccines... no one has ever asked me to show them my immunizations to do anything.. why would it change now
 

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