How To Replace and Improve the Sea Ray Systems Monitor

My systems monitor has died and I was just starting to research options. Thanks for taking the time to post the details! serves as a great guide as I rethink the networking choices.
 
Tom, do you feel that the DSM410 screen is a sufficient size? I see Maretron also has a DSM570 (5.7"). I plan on doing an electronics upgrade this winter and using the DSM to view various NMEA data and may possibly replace the systems monitor while I'm at it.
 
Tom, do you feel that the DSM410 screen is a sufficient size? I see Maretron also has a DSM570 (5.7"). I plan on doing an electronics upgrade this winter and using the DSM to view various NMEA data and may possibly replace the systems monitor while I'm at it.
I think it's plenty big even when split into 4 quadrants.
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Question for you TTMOTT....

I was thinking about doing this, how come you didn’t bother with a second RIM100, to run the other parameters for alarm? Did you end up not caring about the primary movers?

I’m curious instead of having the matron screen, if you can just run qty2 RIM100 modules, and bring the information on the nema2000 network and per say use the MFP to display the alarms and warnings? I.e. Garmin 8612, 8616 etc..... has anyone did this?
 
Question for you TTMOTT....

I was thinking about doing this, how come you didn’t bother with a second RIM100, to run the other parameters for alarm? Did you end up not caring about the primary movers?

I’m curious instead of having the matron screen, if you can just run qty2 RIM100 modules, and bring the information on the nema2000 network and per say use the MFP to display the alarms and warnings? I.e. Garmin 8612, 8616 etc..... has anyone did this?
The only systems monitor element I didn't pick up (on my 52DB) was the utility sump that drains the sinks and showers. I couldn't see buying another RIM100 just to have that system that nominally runs anyway instrumented.
Primary movers?? Do you mean the engines? All of the engines' instrumentation and alarms are on the Vessel View 7 and that is integrated into the NMEA 2000 network; consequently, I get the engine data and alarms on not only the Vessel View but the Maretron displays and the Garmin MFD's. This is my systems wiring (note since this thread started I've completely updated the boat's electronics):
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Great information but I do have a question. The back of my system monitor has only 3 wires and a RG6 coax connected to it. The 3 wires are for the power, no problem there. All else comes in through the RG6 coax. I located where the coax is connected in the engine room. Do I need to run new wires up to the new Maretron RIM100 or is there a adapter that will go from RG6 to open wires to connect to the RIM00? I cant seem to find such an adapter. Thank you
 
Great information but I do have a question. The back of my system monitor has only 3 wires and a RG6 coax connected to it. The 3 wires are for the power, no problem there. All else comes in through the RG6 coax. I located where the coax is connected in the engine room. Do I need to run new wires up to the new Maretron RIM100 or is there a adapter that will go from RG6 to open wires to connect to the RIM00? I cant seem to find such an adapter. Thank you
It all gets sent to the dump; the coax, the power wiring, and the unit in the engine room. The system above is on a NMEA 2000 network. The Maretron RIM100 module connects to the same wiring from the devices to be monitored as the SR Monitor did; it converts the discrete signals into NMEA 2000 data and that data is what the Maretron display shows.
 
Thank you, I will put a RIM100 where I remove the box from in the engine room and connect the wires at that point. Then I can just run it up to my NMEA back bone at the helm. Great info thanks again.
 
One more question, one f my MAN engine displays is not working. Do you have a solution to turn the language coming from the engines to J1939? MAN is telling me the language coming from the MAN engines is proprietary to MAN and can't be done. If it can be converted, it would open up several doors to run the data and not have to buy a MAN display which is out rages.
 
One more question, one f my MAN engine displays is not working. Do you have a solution to turn the language coming from the engines to J1939? MAN is telling me the language coming from the MAN engines is proprietary to MAN and can't be done. If it can be converted, it would open up several doors to run the data and not have to buy a MAN display which is out rages.
There have been a couple of threads on the MAN displays recently here. I don't know enough to comment on these maybe @carterchapman can help....
 
Tom,
My buddies 2003 46DA is reading "Data Link Failure" on his display. I read the "diagnostic sheet" from Sea Ray and says issue with Coaix. I found the F connecter at the module in the engine room loose so I replaced with a new F connector and still the same. I am going to try an overlay test cable to replace his original but to your knowledge does this mean it is shit out of luck? Where does the module in the engine room get its power from?
 
Tom,
My buddies 2003 46DA is reading "Data Link Failure" on his display. I read the "diagnostic sheet" from Sea Ray and says issue with Coaix. I found the F connecter at the module in the engine room loose so I replaced with a new F connector and still the same. I am going to try an overlay test cable to replace his original but to your knowledge does this mean it is shit out of luck? Where does the module in the engine room get its power from?
Try a test cable but more times than not it's terminal; I hope it's that simple however.
See the sketch below; the power comes from the main circuit breaker panel. The power for the display at the helm is fed from the module in the engine room as shown. So if the display is showing power then the module in the engine room has power.
In my conversion I repurposed the "Systems Monitor" circuit breaker (6 Amp, if I remember) to power the engine room section of the NMEA 2000 backbone and then the Maretron replacement for the SR systems monitor Interface module is powered by that NMEA 2000 network.
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Try a test cable but more times than not it's terminal; I hope it's that simple however.
See the sketch below; the power comes from the main circuit breaker panel. The power for the display at the helm is fed from the module in the engine room as shown. So if the display is showing power then the module in the engine room has power.
In my conversion I repurposed the "Systems Monitor" circuit breaker (6 Amp, if I remember) to power the engine room section of the NMEA 2000 backbone and then the Maretron replacement for the SR systems monitor Interface module is powered by that NMEA 2000 network.
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Thank you sir.
 
OK Tom... We did an over lay and no success... So this thing is shot. Can you give me the links to the equipment I need to do this project for my buddy. Looks like this will be a project I wil tackle for him since I am a decent electroinics guy and I want to see this working for him.
 
OK Tom... We did an over lay and no success... So this thing is shot. Can you give me the links to the equipment I need to do this project for my buddy. Looks like this will be a project I wil tackle for him since I am a decent electroinics guy and I want to see this working for him.
  • Display - Maretron DSM410 (The GPS Store, BOE Marine, Hodges, Defender). It's just slightly smaller than the SR Monitor display and should fit fine in that area.
  • Converter - Maretron RIM100 (The GPS Store, BOE Marine, Hodges, Defender). This installs in place of the SR Monitor module in the engine room. Look at the wiring diag for the RIM100 on post #26 and make sure to follow that.
  • Alarm - Maretron ALM100 (The GPS Store, BOE Marine, Hodges, Defender). This mounts under the helm and connects to the NMEA 2000 network.
  • Network - Need a NMEA 2000 powered network from the helm to the engine room. The DSM100, RIM100, and ALM100 all connect to the network. Both Garmin and Maretron are great quality using the NMEA specified Device Net connectors. The network consists of a backbone which is the cabling that routes from the bridge to the engine room. Tee's which allow the branch cables to connect to the backbone. Drop cables which connect to the tee's and to the maretron equipment. Power tap which is the 6 amp fused power wiring to the backbone. Terminating resistors which install on each end of the back bone. https://www.maretron.com/products/pdf/Network Installation Guide.pdf
Make sure to read and understand the DSM410 manual as that is what guides the programming of the Maretron equipment.
Tom
 
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  • Display - Maretron DSM410 (The GPS Store, BOE Marine, Hodges, Defender). It's just slightly smaller than the SR Monitor display and should fit fine in that area.
  • Converter - Maretron RIM100 (The GPS Store, BOE Marine, Hodges, Defender). This installs in place of the SR Monitor module in the engine room. Look at the wiring diag for the RIM100 on post #26 and make sure to follow that.
  • Alarm - Maretron ALM100 (The GPS Store, BOE Marine, Hodges, Defender). This mounts under the helm and connects to the NMEA 2000 network.
  • Network - Need a NMEA 2000 powered network from the helm to the engine room. The DSM100, RIM100, and ALM100 all connect to the network. Both Garmin and Maretron are great quality using the NMEA specified Device Net connectors. The network consists of a backbone which is the cabling that routes from the bridge to the engine room. Tee's which allow the branch cables to connect to the backbone. Drop cables which connect to the tee's and to the maretron equipment. Power tap which is the 6 amp fused power wiring to the backbone. Terminating resistors which install on each end of the back bone. https://www.maretron.com/products/pdf/Network Installation Guide.pdf
Make sure to read and understand the DSM410 manual as that is what guides the programming of the Maretron equipment.
Tom
Perfect, thank you. I will put him a shopping list together so he can "gather up the goods".

Do you program on the touch display or can you do all the coding on a computer and then download to the display?
-Grant
 
Perfect, thank you. I will put him a shopping list together so he can "gather up the goods".

Do you program on the touch display or can you do all the coding on a computer and then download to the display?
-Grant

The DSM410 are programmed on the device itself. I have 2 I had to replace under warranty, and it was a couple hours to reprogram the engine/transmission gauge pages. There is no way to upload/download/backup your settings unfortunately. The DSM410 is a 4.1” display, they make a DSM570 (5.7”) that is a little bigger and might be closer in size to the Sea Ray Systems Monitor display. Downside it’s almost double the price.

The good news is these are really nice displays. In addition to the Systems Monitor replacement, you can use these to monitor and display all kinds of boat data. While the programming is a PITA, I have been very impressed with Maretron capabilities and quality.

My next project is to add AC/DC electrical and generator monitoring. I’m sure I’ll be adding some more Maretron.
 
Perfect, thank you. I will put him a shopping list together so he can "gather up the goods".

Do you program on the touch display or can you do all the coding on a computer and then download to the display?
-Grant
For this do all the setup and programming through the DSM410. It is pretty intuitive but takes a lot of time, but like I said earlier make sure and read the manual. There are two levels of programming - one for the end items and one for the display. Set up the end items (RIM100 and ALM100) then set up the display on how you would like the end item data displayed.
For example each of the channels on the RIM100 are set up as discrete on and off in that either ON or OFF is an alert state. You can also label what that channel is monitoring like "Aft Bilge Pump". Then the display is set up with a label what the RIM100 channel is like "AFT Bilge Pump" to match the label in the RIM100 (not necessary but handy to ensure things are one for one) and if ON is detected a flashing banner and audible alarm, etc..... In the display also the each page is set up on how it looks; for the systems monitor I set it up with six message lines but you can do it a variety of ways....
I think once you get into it you will find it rather addicting...
 
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FYI - Maretron can be programmed through the DSM and/or with a computer. If you get their USB100 gateway and download N2K Analyzer (free), all of the programming can be done on a laptop. Plus, you can save the config files as a back-up in case you have to swap components down the road...
 

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