What a positive COVID-19 test REALLY means

So much wrong here. See above in RED...
But if he loses what have conservatives gained? You have a county divided and the liberals are not going away. I am conservative and we had a similar issue in Canada when the Liberal party won. The Conservatives here forgot about the fact that you need to convince the middle-left to vote you in. If you play only the extreme right, you may win once, but it will backfire. That is where you are headed.
 
But if he loses what have conservatives gained? You have a county divided and the liberals are not going away. I am conservative and we had a similar issue in Canada when the Liberal party won. The Conservatives here forgot about the fact that you need to convince the middle-left to vote you in. If you play only the extreme right, you may win once, but it will backfire. That is where you are headed.

Not really. If you consume the daily MSM and cable news, one is led to believe that. That's the narrative being pushed because it will dampen voter enthusiasm, and inflate voter apathy. The democrats desperately need to keep people away from voting this November, because they are nominating one of the worse candidates they could possibly nominate. And his nomination is driving down voter enthusiasm for the democrat nominee for this election.

The democrats are also seriously over playing their hand with the draconian measures they instituted during the covid lockdowns, and now with their backing and support of domestic terrorism. Those actions are driving voters away and not attracting new voters to their cause. If you look at some actual polling the President enjoys an all time high record of support from the black community and the latino community, which has the DNC terrified. The other event the DNC can't get control of is the silent vote, those voters who support the President but don't openly talk about it but will head to the polls in November and cast their vote.

Above is the reason for the push of "mail in voting". The desperation to tilt the playing field is evident for the democrats.
 
What's the deal with wide-spread testing? Why not just test symptomatic people? Unless I feel ill, I will not subject myself to testing.
 
What's the deal with wide-spread testing? Why not just test symptomatic people? Unless I feel ill, I will not subject myself to testing.

Depends on the state and more importantly, the agenda.

In some states, testing is required to be admitted to a hospital, to have a medical procedure or to work in a certain environment. Other states broadly expand that to other areas. Keep in mind the testing is not perfect and actually has a fairly high false positive result.
 
Depends on the state and more importantly, the agenda.

In some states, testing is required to be admitted to a hospital, to have a medical procedure or to work in a certain environment. Other states broadly expand that to other areas. Keep in mind the testing is not perfect and actually has a fairly high false positive result.
I get it to test when necessary as in before admitting to hosp before medical procedure etc....but testing for the sake of testing seems to stoke fear. Why are people waiting in line for hours to get tested if they feel fine? Living in fear is not living.
 
Re Florida hospitalizations. I was in the ICU at a large hospital chain in Orlando (work related ). The ICU was almost empty and this is after recent new elective surgeries resumed!

There were zero COVID patients on respirators. Every patient is tested as part of the pre-op screening process.

If you are hospitalized for any condition and test positive even though you’re not there for COVID you are counted as a COVID admission.

Some true COVID patient admits are funneled to centralized locations thus filling capacity but only due to “busing” patients.

$17k average added revenue to the hospital.

Any questions?
 
Not really. If you consume the daily MSM and cable news, one is led to believe that. That's the narrative being pushed because it will dampen voter enthusiasm, and inflate voter apathy. The democrats desperately need to keep people away from voting this November, because they are nominating one of the worse candidates they could possibly nominate. And his nomination is driving down voter enthusiasm for the democrat nominee for this election.

The democrats are also seriously over playing their hand with the draconian measures they instituted during the covid lockdowns, and now with their backing and support of domestic terrorism. Those actions are driving voters away and not attracting new voters to their cause. If you look at some actual polling the President enjoys an all time high record of support from the black community and the latino community, which has the DNC terrified. The other event the DNC can't get control of is the silent vote, those voters who support the President but don't openly talk about it but will head to the polls in November and cast their vote.

Above is the reason for the push of "mail in voting". The desperation to tilt the playing field is evident for the democrats.
Not really. If you consume the daily MSM and cable news, one is led to believe that. That's the narrative being pushed because it will dampen voter enthusiasm, and inflate voter apathy. The democrats desperately need to keep people away from voting this November, because they are nominating one of the worse candidates they could possibly nominate. And his nomination is driving down voter enthusiasm for the democrat nominee for this election.

The democrats are also seriously over playing their hand with the draconian measures they instituted during the covid lockdowns, and now with their backing and support of domestic terrorism. Those actions are driving voters away and not attracting new voters to their cause. If you look at some actual polling the President enjoys an all time high record of support from the black community and the latino community, which has the DNC terrified. The other event the DNC can't get control of is the silent vote, those voters who support the President but don't openly talk about it but will head to the polls in November and cast their vote.

Above is the reason for the push of "mail in voting". The desperation to tilt the playing field is evident for the democrats.

Clearly you and several other's on here worship the ground Donald Trump walks on. Maybe you will be right and he will win again. I think he will not. You have no choice now though. The GOP is "all in" on this hand being played in November. I think the best thing for the US would have been Trump being impeached last fall and the GOP having time to select a solid replacement that is more sure to win more of the center in November. Time will tell.
 
Clearly you and several other's on here worship the ground Donald Trump walks on. Maybe you will be right and he will win again. I think he will not. You have no choice now though. The GOP is "all in" on this hand being played in November. I think the best thing for the US would have been Trump being impeached last fall and the GOP having time to select a solid replacement that is more sure to win more of the center in November. Time will tell.

Uh, no I don't worship anything or anybody. Nice deflection though, but that doesn't work.

I also don't consume the narratives of the MSM. I take the time to do research on topics and filter through the fog to find the true answers, I don't need a network pundit to explain what I should be thinking.
 
Clearly you and several other's on here worship the ground Donald Trump walks on. Maybe you will be right and he will win again. I think he will not. You have no choice now though. The GOP is "all in" on this hand being played in November. I think the best thing for the US would have been Trump being impeached last fall and the GOP having time to select a solid replacement that is more sure to win more of the center in November. Time will tell.
You forgot to add "this is CNN."

The problem with the GOP was that they stopped listening to their voters. Regan brought in a coalition of working class Democrats, added a little bit of common sense, and changed history. Since then, the GOP leadership has embraced policies that threw the working class overboard and destroyed that base. All they wanted to do was be liked and get on cable news shows. The Dems did the same thing thru their identity politics. The belief was that the working class was no longer important, so who gives a fk. And then came Trump. He kicked over the apple cart and when he turned around, he knocked over the expensive crystal. He created a real mess for traditional politicians. The weinie Republicrats "retired" as the losers they are. The Democrats overplayed their hand and went full on nut case -- green new deal, tear down George Washington, defund the police, upend capitalism, America sucks. Yeah, that will get you middle of the road votes. Trump gives a Baseball, Chevrolet and apple pie speech and it's twisted as dark and divisive by the media hacks. Rule number one in politics -- don't tell the voters their country sucks.
 
I got a six pack that says Trump in a landslide.

I never get complacent. The left is hoping just for that. Voter apathy is a real problem, and if we start talking landslide, etc, some will just sit home because “ah, he’s gonna win anyway”. The election of 2000 showed us just how close it came with Florida and IIRC, Broward County. IIRC it was Bush ahead by like 600 votes that put Florida in his column.

With that being said, I do believe the silent majority will speak loudly in November.

But everyone needs to encourage everyone they know to vote, don’t sit this one out.
 
But if he loses what have conservatives gained? You have a county divided and the liberals are not going away. I am conservative and we had a similar issue in Canada when the Liberal party won. The Conservatives here forgot about the fact that you need to convince the middle-left to vote you in. If you play only the extreme right, you may win once, but it will backfire. That is where you are headed.

There is very little extreme right. So little the media has to play up Jessie Smollet and Bubba Wallace hoaxes just to stir up the pot. Look at the fake news coverage of the Covington kids, if the media ever got their hands on a real story. It is now just mainly what were defined as centrist and the left...
 
Lets talk about testing again.
So we are testing people just to test. So if they come back negative, great. That day they don't have COVID. But now what? Are they going to test everyone every day? Similarly if you are asymptomatic, and get a positive test, what next? Do you resign yourself to social distancing for the rest of your life? Or do you have to go back for testing until you are negative? Either scenario makes no sense. Widespread testing creates widespread fear, with no payoff, and it seems that you are placing a huge burden on people, labs etc that have to execute the test and process the results. If you are not feeling well, with the known symptoms, by all means get tested. The only numbers that matter in my opinion are How many people are hospitalized with confirmed COVID; How many die, and how many recovered. The number of asymptomatic cases is meaningless, unless you are trying to scare the population. I am trying to understand this, so please enlighten me.
 
The best news is that death rates seem to be lower as time goes on. US infection rates are skyrocketing, so as long as death rates decrease to bad flu status, this will resolve. If death rates rise rapidly again, all bets are off.

Keep in mind that the US is not the only country that is rapidly increasing testing levels, but is unique in the developed world in increased positive tests. So the case numbers are increasing by much more than just the result of increased testing. Some other countries (eg Canada) have BOTH increased testing AND decreasing positive test rates.
 
Lets talk about testing again.
So we are testing people just to test. So if they come back negative, great. That day they don't have COVID. But now what? Are they going to test everyone every day? Similarly if you are asymptomatic, and get a positive test, what next? Do you resign yourself to social distancing for the rest of your life? Or do you have to go back for testing until you are negative? Either scenario makes no sense. Widespread testing creates widespread fear, with no payoff, and it seems that you are placing a huge burden on people, labs etc that have to execute the test and process the results. If you are not feeling well, with the known symptoms, by all means get tested. The only numbers that matter in my opinion are How many people are hospitalized with confirmed COVID; How many die, and how many recovered. The number of asymptomatic cases is meaningless, unless you are trying to scare the population. I am trying to understand this, so please enlighten me.

You need to do your own research. This thread and many others in this Tiki section of the forum have tons of information. Things make no sense to you because you are misinformed or just trolling.

Go read and educate yourself, although I promise much of what you read will be politically biased propaganda, on both sides of the aisle but at least you'll be able to contribute vs constantly posting "makes no sense to me" comments.

And yes, I'm off my meds.o_O
 
The best news is that death rates seem to be lower as time goes on. US infection rates are skyrocketing, so as long as death rates decrease to bad flu status, this will resolve. If death rates rise rapidly again, all bets are off.

Keep in mind that the US is not the only country that is rapidly increasing testing levels, but is unique in the developed world in increased positive tests. So the case numbers are increasing by much more than just the result of increased testing. Some other countries (eg Canada) have BOTH increased testing AND decreasing positive test rates.

Understand how "cases" are being determined tells the whole story. It's not a one for one test that's either + or -. Also understand that the test are flawed and are producing on average a 30%+ false positive result.

Also we are seeing "Covid19 hospitalizations" in the media constantly, which again is a deceptive number. Why? If someone takes a fall, and goes to a hospital they are administered a covid test upon admittance. If the test shows positive, that person is considered a "covid hospitalization" even though they are asymptomatic and never show signs of the virus, when in fact that's not why they were admitted.

Another huge flaw is those admitted are tested daily (in some areas) and each test is counted as a case, so one person who stays 5 days is counted as 5 cases. There is even some more bizarre methods being used which greatly over inflate the numbers.

Unfortunately the covid19 has turned into a political tool, and thus it's being manipulated for narratives. It would be nice to see and follow the actual numbers, but that is not going to happen. This is why the numbers in the US are so skewed as to what you are seeing elsewhere in the world.
 
You need to do your own research. This thread and many others in this Tiki section of the forum have tons of information. Things make no sense to you because you are misinformed or just trolling.

Go read and educate yourself, although I promise much of what you read will be politically biased propaganda, on both sides of the aisle but at least you'll be able to contribute vs constantly posting "makes no sense to me" comments.

And yes, I'm off my meds.o_O
I don't think I am misinformed, definitely not trolling. I am trying to understand why we are doing so much testing.
Trying my best to be apolitical, but testing like this makes no sense to me. Looking for a simple explanation.
 

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