George Floyd

Long time ago I used to travel a lot on business. being Canadian I was ignorant about how it was in the US. One trip to LA to look at some items we were purchasing I got instructions on how to get to the plant from the airport. Looked at map and said "There is a better rout". It took me through Watts. Did not know it was not a nice area. I stopped at a donut shop and got a few dozen for the line workers. I was the only white person in the shop at 6AM. No problem no comments and they were nice to me. All looked like works stopping to get morning coffee. Point is not all people are bad. If I had been black and stopped in an all white donut shop would I have been treated the same?
 
Blueone said:
My daughter has a black friend....actually all her friends are black or Hispanic come to think of it.... one of her friends that she has had from grade school was over last night to get help from my wife with her benefits.... standing around the island I looked at her and for the first time I said to myself she is black....that would have never crossed my mind before... that's what this bullshit is doing to us
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Exactly!. I have a two Filipino friends. The older one posted a about being a Person Of Color and having some of these issues. As I read it, like yourself Blueone, I said to myself "I have never even considered that you were a P.O.C."... And I have been struggling in my mind how to approach him on it as it obviously has affected him.
 
I grew up in a VERY prejudiced family; had been that way for many years. I could never figure out why and when I got out on my own I made a promise to try to break that cycle.

I knew I had succeeded when I picked up my daughter from high school one day. She was standing in a group of about 10 girls and came to the truck when she saw me pull up. She said "See that girl over there, I really like her." I asked her which one and her reply was "the one in the purple jacket."

She was referring to the only black girl in the group and I was happy that she didn't see the girl as a black girl, but the girl in the purple jacket.

When I was in the USAF my wife at the time and I adopted a hispanic boy. Didn't matter to me what race he was, he was our son and we were proud as hell of him.

To say that I'm not prejudiced though would be a lie. I don't like drug dealers, burglars, thieves, and other types who prey on other people because they're too damned lazy to get a job. So I guess I am prejudiced, but it has nothing to do with race.
 
Gofirstclass said:
To say that I'm not prejudiced though would be a lie. I don't like drug dealers, burglars, thieves, and other types who prey on other people because they're too damned lazy to get a job. So I guess I am prejudiced, but it has nothing to do with race.
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This sort of reminds me of something my Dad said to me when I was a kid. He said 'if a guy was an asshole would it matter if he was a black asshole or a white asshole'?
 
susanandlance said:
More Bullshit!!!!! Your POS President isn't doing a damn thing, why, because he's afraid of reelection problems, say good damn by to your idiot president!!!
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So is he a dictator or not? He's either doing too much or not a damn thing. Pick a lane.
 
Creekwood said:
So what is the solution to the US race issue? Trump did not cause the issue, it has been there for years. IMO his election is a symptom, not a cause.

But so far I see nothing he is doing to solve it, but what do you all think is the answer? I for one, may not agree with politicians approach to things, but I do not believe they are all morons.
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It can't be solved because the powers that be don't want it solved.
 
Woody said:
I wasn't disputing the point being made. I have looked at FBI stats several times and after doing it always felt 'Black Lives Matter' as if things only happen to Blacks is a mistake, that racism is always the 'cause of choice' is a mistake.

Does racism play a part, no doubt it does, perhaps that's 'part of' the dis-proportionality we keep hearing about.

I think an 'all lives matter' approach would be better myself but now days I have to be careful when I say that or someone will bust the windows out of my car or something.
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There is plenty of data out there showing that living in economically depressed areas either leaves people more susceptible to violent crime as a victim, or likely to commit it as a perpetrator.
I think inequality, particularly economic inequality, is a better argument against injustice.
From where I sit, I think poor quality education and lack of meaningful job training in areas that are predominantly black have kept them in a state of economic inequality more than anything else.
But that opens the door to question where the hundreds of billions of dollars American taxpayers have spent on those things since the end of the Civil Rights movement has gone, and why it hasn’t had a real impact.
I suspect that politicians don’t want those questions asked and they would rather deflect attention from those issues. Much easier to scapegoat cops and fire people up with cries of racism.
Racism is real, but is it the motivation for a disproportionate number of certain lives being lost to violence?
Here is another chart that calls that in to question:
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I'm not a LEO, never have been never wanted to be.

I don't know if the officer caused this mans death or added to his health issue. What I do know is that if the guy had done what he was asked to do he would still be alive today.

What I do know is this. I have lost ALL respect for the BLM movement. Until this I kinda supported what they were trying to do. I understood the need for light to be put on subject. The last two big issues have resulted in looting, burning, and major damages. Not to just the white owned businesses but all those that had something the looters wanted. How in the hell does looting and burning help the cause.

I'm welling to bet this will be the last time shop owners will just rollover and just let this stupidity happen again!
 
dwna1a said:
I'm not a LEO, never have been never wanted to be.

I don't know if the officer caused this mans death or added to his health issue. What I do know is that if the guy had done what he was asked to do he would still be alive today.

What I do know is this. I have lost ALL respect for the BLM movement. Until this I kinda supported what they were trying to do. I understood the need for light to be put on subject. The last two big issues have resulted in looting, burning, and major damages. Not to just the white owned businesses but all those that had something the looters wanted. How in the hell does looting and burning help the cause.

I'm welling to bet this will be the last time shop owners will just rollover and just let this stupidity happen again!
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I watched all of the video that is on line. No one deserves to die for the amount of resisting arrest he did as an unarmed man. No one. I have read all of the rhetoric on this forum about freedom to not wear a mask just because it is a law. Presumption of innocence until proven guilty is a fundamental. That LEO went WAY over the line and killed a man. There is no way that the police should have free reign to do that to anyone.
 
Creekwood said:
I watched all of the video that is on line. No one deserves to die for the amount of resisting arrest he did as an unarmed man. No one. I have read all of the rhetoric on this forum about freedom to not wear a mask just because it is a law. Presumption of innocence until proven guilty is a fundamental. That LEO went WAY over the line and killed a man. There is no way that the police should have free reign to do that to anyone.
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Since that officer is currently behind bars - I don't see how they have "free reign" to do this.
 
firecadet613 said:
Since that officer is currently behind bars - I don't see how they have "free reign" to do this.
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I agree. My comment was directed to this kind of thinking: “What I do know is that if the guy had donewhat he was asked to do he would still be alive today.“
 
Creekwood said:
I agree. My comment was directed to this kind of thinking: “What I do know is that if the guy had donewhat he was asked to do he would still be alive today.“
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That's a true statement. However looking at the statistics, BLM is trying to push an agenda, unfortunately getting others killed in the process of the riots.
 
Ya know….I'm seeing this situation from a different angle I think. While the death of Mr. Floyd, or anyone in police custody is tragic, weren't the police called because Mr. Floyd committed a crime? I was taught that if you choose to break the law be prepared to suffer the consequences. Now I admit that death should not have been the consequence but if Mr. Floyd and chosen to NOT break the law wouldn't he be alive today? Unfortunately, fate took him to Officer Chauvin, a cop with a history of misuse of power, and the result is what we have now.

Now some might say that the crime was just counterfeiting and maybe the cops should look the other way but the police are sworn to uphold the law and they don't get to pick and choose which laws to enforce. In most of the recent deaths of a person of ANY color (Yes, there have been some white ones) due to an interaction with police they were in commission of a crime or had failed to comply.

No way Mr. Floyd should be dead now but if he had not tried to pass a counterfeit $20 with wet ink, he would be alive. At some point don't people have to be held accountable for their actions? Am I wrong?
Shawn
 
susanandlance said:
More Bullshit!!!!! Your POS President isn't doing a damn thing, why, because he's afraid of reelection problems, say good damn by to your idiot president!!!
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Ok Admin, time to kick these idiots off. No place for this lunacy that cannot be attributed to anything but vile, hate filled ignorance. I don't care if this is the Tikki Bar or they own a Sea Ray, there's a level of sanity that should be required.
 
Creekwood said:
I watched all of the video that is on line. No one deserves to die for the amount of resisting arrest he did as an unarmed man. No one. I have read all of the rhetoric on this forum about freedom to not wear a mask just because it is a law. Presumption of innocence until proven guilty is a fundamental. That LEO went WAY over the line and killed a man. There is no way that the police should have free reign to do that to anyone.
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CW, I'm agreeing with you but I haven't seen any "press released" or phone vidio. Never will you see the complete story. The officer was fired and charged and is innocent till proven quiltiy in a court of law. True? He is due his day in court just as you and I would be.

But please tell me this. How the hell does burning and looting get justified? BLM was a great idea. It brings light to a issue. If I were them I'd be pissed as well, but now they need to step it up. My suggestion is to separate themselves from this looting maybe come out and use some of those funds they have to help small businesses rebuild or give support to those families of the ones that have been killed. Until they do something other than loot and burn they have lost all respect
 
gmacd81 said:
Ok Admin, time to kick these idiots off. No place for this lunacy that cannot be attributed to anything but vile, hate filled ignorance. I don't care if this is the Tikki Bar or they own a Sea Ray, there's a level of sanity that should be required.
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Aren't we allowed to express our point of view as well?

Shawn, I think we are saying the same things but on two different spots. If Mr Floyd had not resisted and just gone with the flow of what happened he would be alive and most likely been released just as fast as he was picked up. You don't get death for passing a bad bill. Mr Floyd over reacted, the officer let his anger take over his brain, charges have been placed.
 
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NorCal Boater said:
Ya know….I'm seeing this situation from a different angle I think. While the death of Mr. Floyd, or anyone in police custody is tragic, weren't the police called because Mr. Floyd committed a crime? I was taught that if you choose to break the law be prepared to suffer the consequences. Now I admit that death should not have been the consequence but if Mr. Floyd and chosen to NOT break the law wouldn't he be alive today? Unfortunately, fate took him to Officer Chauvin, a cop with a history of misuse of power, and the result is what we have now.

Now some might say that the crime was just counterfeiting and maybe the cops should look the other way but the police are sworn to uphold the law and they don't get to pick and choose which laws to enforce. In most of the recent deaths of a person of ANY color (Yes, there have been some white ones) due to an interaction with police they were in commission of a crime or had failed to comply.

No way Mr. Floyd should be dead now but if he had not tried to pass a counterfeit $20 with wet ink, he would be alive. At some point don't people have to be held accountable for their actions? Am I wrong?
Shawn
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Being held accountable would be going to court and if found guilty receive a fine/jail time.
 
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