Liberate Protestors

gmacd81 said:
Shows how the uniformed get their information. To be clear and factual, as of about three weeks ago NY has ordered nursing facilities to accept and treat COVID patients in their facilities. Facilities full of the absolutely most vulnerable segment of the population. There can be no argument with that fact. It is an act that, at minimum, borders on criminally negligent. Where has that been reported Hank? Other than a couple of articles sneaking out in the last couple of days, the only people finding out about this were those notified by the homes that their elderly relatives were in. And this is not from Reuters or other media outlets. I just lost a 93 year old great-aunt who was sharp as a tack until 2 weeks ago. And a good friend lost his 94 year old aunt/godmother who was similarly doing fine. Both in nursing facilities in NYS that brought in COVID patients as ordered. Lawsuits will be coming.
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THIS, THIS, THIS!!!!!!!!!!

I don't understand why this hasn't been picked up by anyone (yeah I guess I do). Heads, starting with Cuomo's, should be rolling. They basically seeded the nursing homes. 20-25% of their deaths are from nursing homes.

Sorry for your loss.
 
DWABoat said:
Good post. I live in your area (Livingston Parish) and life is close to normal around here for many people. Traffic. Construction on-going. Grocery, Walmart’s, HD’s, auto parts, etc open and crowded. There are many closed businesses, but there are enough people out and about that the virus would spread really fast if a complete lockdown was necessary to stop it.

As far as risk in the work place, I wonder how many of the decision making politicians have ever worked in the real world where worksites are dangerous: Construction - nail guns, falling objects, overhead cranes, falling off roof tops, etc. Electricians - high voltage electrocution. Plant workers - hazardous chemicals, explosions. Welders - burns, eye damage, crushed by steel falling. Yard crews - extreme heat exhaustion. Tree trimmers - high altitude falls, falling trees, hornets. The list goes on. Many of these politicians went to Prep School, College, Law School, Legislature. Never had to climb a rickety ladder up on the side of a two-story building carrying a 30-lb Freon drum, gauges, and tool belt. You want danger? Work in the blue collar world for a while people. The politicians don’t get why the working man/woman has no fear of going back to work even though there may be some elevated risk of getting the virus. These working people have been managing risk their entire lives to make a living.
Let OSHA and the CDC develop a thorough safety plan for virus prevention and let these workers do what they have been doing all their careers - manage life and death risk. Ok, we got it.
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Where do you do your boating? Trailer or slip?
 
DWABoat said:
Trailer. Mostly Gulfport (MS) Jones Park to Ship Island and eastward.
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You're towing a 280 all the way to Gulfport? You don't like the Lake or Tchefuncte?

I kept my boat at Salty's Marina in Madisonville 4 months of the last 2 years but I think I'm done this year and time to sell. Boating here is not like it was in California.
Shawn
 
Henry Boyd said:
Google “Washington State nursing home covid deaths”. It will turn up pages of news reports many dating back to the beginning of March.

Substitute Massachusetts for Washington State and you can scroll through pages of news reports dating back to the beginning of April. No surprise as Mass’s infection timeline is about a month behind Washington State.

Substitute California and you can see reports dating to mid March.

Substitute Maryland into the search and you get similar results, including news reports dated April 5 outlining new more stringent nursing home regulations mandated by government.

Whether you agree, or disagree, with the slant of the news presentation, the fact remains the incidents happened and people in nursing homes died and these events were documented weeks ago, not just recently.
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I don't understand how someone can read something and then reply in a way that displays a complete lack of understanding. Did you read the words or just skim and assume what you were writing was relevant? Do you need it in Braille? Sign language?
 
gmacd81 said:
I don't understand how someone can read something and then reply in a way that displays a complete lack of understanding. Did you read the words or just skim and assume what you were writing was relevant? Do you need it in Braille? Sign language?
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Your comment I originally replied to stated news of deaths in nursing homes had only recently come to light “in the past few days”. I replied in another post that such information was not correct. This was followed by a post telling telling me I was “uniformed”. The post you are now responding to was a summary of Google search’s that support the notion that nursing home deaths had been known for weeks not days. I supposed I could of responded to “a few days” with “What have you got your head in the sand?”

Let’s set the record straight. I believe what has happened across the country with regard to nursing home deaths borders on the criminal. Since the beginning of mass infection nursing homes have been documented as being extraordinarily vulnerable. So besides the obvious that nursing homes were populated 100% with people at the most risk. While measures were taken to protect residents of nursing homes, the news reports document a significant number of cases of the failure of the existing measures.
 
Henry Boyd said:
Your comment I originally replied to stated news of deaths in nursing homes had only recently come to light “in the past few days”. I replied in another post that such information was not correct. This was followed by a post telling telling me I was “uniformed”. The post you are now responding to was a summary of Google search’s that support the notion that nursing home deaths had been known for weeks not days. I supposed I could of responded to “a few days” with “What have you got your head in the sand?”

Let’s set the record straight. I believe what has happened across the country with regard to nursing home deaths borders on the criminal. Since the beginning of mass infection nursing homes have been documented as being extraordinarily vulnerable. So besides the obvious that nursing homes were populated 100% with people at the most risk. While measures were taken to protect residents of nursing homes, the news reports document a significant number of cases of the failure of the existing measures.
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I think you misread what he said. Specifically New York had a policy requiring, ordering, nursing homes to admit knowingly infected covid 19 people. That effectively seeded those homes and thousands died as a result. While other states saw outbreaks in nursing homes I don’t think it has been anything like New York. Fact is that nursing homes should have been on a hard lock down from the beginning.
 
Golfman25 said:
I think you misread what he said. Specifically New York had a policy requiring, ordering, nursing homes to admit knowingly infected covid 19 people. That effectively seeded those homes and thousands died as a result. While other states saw outbreaks in nursing homes I don’t think it has been anything like New York. Fact is that nursing homes should have been on a hard lock down from the beginning.
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Isn't the New York (and other states') policy that the nursing home has to readmit its own patients who have had COVID, were transferred to a hospital for treatment and recovered enough to be discharged? And, if the nursing home believes they don't have the capability to care for these patients, then they can contact the state for an assist in disposition (which will trigger a look at their license)? Seems like the policy (if I got it correctly) is more about preventing elderly patients going into limbo as the hospitals try to clear beds for new patients than a heartless plot.
 
The policy in Mass was to have covid patients who had had the infection, were no longer contagious and were recuperating integrated into nursing homes. That was scraped when it became clear the nursing home industry had more than enough problems of their own.
 
alnav said:
Isn't the New York (and other states') policy that the nursing home has to readmit its own patients who have had COVID, were transferred to a hospital for treatment and recovered enough to be discharged? And, if the nursing home believes they don't have the capability to care for these patients, then they can contact the state for an assist in disposition (which will trigger a look at their license)? Seems like the policy (if I got it correctly) is more about preventing elderly patients going into limbo as the hospitals try to clear beds for new patients than a heartless plot.
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They use the term "medically stable" whatever that is supposed to mean. But further down they make it clear that they can't require a covid-19 test. So medically stable possibly means they have the infection but doesn't need hospitalization. That's what they call a BIG PROBLEM. Here is the order:
https://coronavirus.health.ny.gov/s...covid19-_nhadmissionsreadmissions_-032520.pdf
 
Golfman25 said:
They use the term "medically stable" whatever that is supposed to mean. But further down they make it clear that they can't require a covid-19 test. So medically stable possibly means they have the infection but doesn't need hospitalization. That's what they call a BIG PROBLEM. Here is the order:
https://coronavirus.health.ny.gov/s...covid19-_nhadmissionsreadmissions_-032520.pdf
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Why do you assume this means shipping contagious people to facilities where the most vulnerable are? If you take that position aren’t you saying the State of New York is making public policy to execute some of its citizens? What kind of doctor do you think would transfer a contagious person to a care environment populated by the most at risk demographic?

Also by your logic, people who have had the virus should not be allowed to go home, or out in society. That in turn suggests a tightening of the stay at home policies. Kind of ironic considering the topic of this post.

Wouldn’t a more logical interpretation of “medically stable” be those who have HAD the infection and are no longer contagious?
 
Blueone said:
Because there was no other place to put them or that would accept them ...like Comfort

Stable and no longer contagious are two completely different diagnosis
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I give up. You would rather believe the state of ny, or doctors would knowingly send contagious people to where they would infect the most at risk and vulnerable than accept you might have misinterpreted the guidelines. You really have a sad opinion of the morals and ethics of doctors and the world in general.
 
Henry Boyd said:
Why do you assume this means shipping contagious people to facilities where the most vulnerable are? If you take that position aren’t you saying the State of New York is making public policy to execute some of its citizens? What kind of doctor do you think would transfer a contagious person to a care environment populated by the most at risk demographic?

Also by your logic, people who have had the virus should not be allowed to go home, or out in society. That in turn suggests a tightening of the stay at home policies. Kind of ironic considering the topic of this post.

Wouldn’t a more logical interpretation of “medically stable” be those who have HAD the infection and are no longer contagious?
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Well that's what they did.

And note they didn't say "no longer infected" or "no longer positive." And they DID NOT allow for a test to ensure the patient was clear of infection. Could have done all those. Instead they used a weasel term like "medically stable" which doesn't mean not infected.

By my logic, people who HAVE the virus should not be anywhere near the elderly at home or otherwise. They also should not be out in public a la Chris Cuomo. Once they are over the virus, they can do whatever the hell they want.
 
Henry Boyd said:
I give up. You would rather believe the state of ny, or doctors would knowingly send contagious people to where they would infect the most at risk and vulnerable than accept you might have misinterpreted the guidelines. You really have a sad opinion of the morals and ethics of doctors and the world in general.
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I would suggest you watch the video. Quote: "I think the policy is that if you are positive you should be admitted back to a nursing home." (Highlight mine). Sounds pretty clear to me.

https://nypost.com/2020/04/20/cuomo...atients-are-being-sent-back-to-nursing-homes/
 
Golfman25 said:
I would suggest you watch the video. Quote: "I think the policy is that if you are positive you should be admitted back to a nursing home." (Highlight mine). Sounds pretty clear to me.

https://nypost.com/2020/04/20/cuomo...atients-are-being-sent-back-to-nursing-homes/
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I found the video I paraphrased earlier. I believe it's from the day after the NY Post video. Governor Cuomo provides a summary of Nursing Home policies including readmission starting about 5:30.
 
alnav said:
I found the video I paraphrased earlier. I believe it's from the day after the NY Post video. Governor Cuomo provides a summary of Nursing Home policies including readmission starting about 5:30.
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Basically confirms the same thing — they have to take covid positive patients. Cuomo is a moron. Those homes are not designed to handle deadly infectious diseases. They are death traps. Now they are going to investigate and fine them. As far as I’m concerned Cuomo has blood on his hands.
 
I have no idea if this is correct or not or who the doctors are. If what they say is correct we all better start asking why we are at home. My sister who is 79 had part of her heating aid come off in her ear. She went to emergency and there were no patents except her. People are treeified to go out. Based on the symptoms I know 2 people who had the virus. They did not get tested. One was sick for 3 weeks the other 6 weeks. The attached provides a different prospective of how things are being handled. https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/...ss-conference-questioning-of-extreme-measures
 
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