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They look like complete fools, out there, no masks, no separation,talking like 8 th grade students. Look, Your POTUS and governors have put this in place for your protection , similar to other states based on infection rates. Just STFU, go home and settle down, like the rest of us, you will be released in weeks to go out a spread your nasty C19 to the rest of us. Thank you in advance. It's an embarrassment to the rest of us trying to stay healthy and safe!! Just go TF home. Done with rant, stay safe out here peeps, this isn't over by any shot yet.... Lance
 
S&L I've killed my tv stuff, so no news. What protesters?
 
gotta love the pic of the guy holding a sign saying "COVID-19 is a lie" and he is FULL PPE, goggles, hazmat suit and mask.
 
What makes all this so hard to deal with is people in general no long believes in the news media so they go to the internet and connect to what ever opinion that they agree with which is not necessary the truth but it makes them feel better and the distortion of the truth gains traction then are lovely news media latches on to the trend and then you have the knuckle heads protesting.
 
Celebrate their freedom to express them selves. And your right to sound like a deranged hater, Lance. Oh, and my right to tell you to f*** off.
 
Just imagine when JC returns to this earth shit show, they will call him fake news lol
 
gmacd81 said:
Celebrate their freedom to express them selves. And your right to sound like a deranged hater, Lance. Oh, and my right to tell you to f*** off.
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People seem the forget that “freedom” is neither absolute nor without significant responsibilities. One’s freedom is limited by the impact it has on others.

We’re not free to annoy our neighbors with loud music at 1AM. More relevant: we’re not “free” to go spread deadly diseases and imperil the public health.
 
b_arrington said:
People seem the forget that “freedom” is neither absolute nor without significant responsibilities. One’s freedom is limited by the impact it has on others.

We’re not free to annoy our neighbors with loud music at 1AM. More relevant: we’re not “free” to go spread deadly diseases and imperil the public health.
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Re:”One’s freedom is limited by the impact it has on others.”

Please define “impact”.

This is so ignorant and simplistic it boggles the mind.

Did you quarantine during seasonal flu?

People will believe whatever they hear and read on their news. The ability to think for themselves is gone thanks to the public school systems.

You sir should, really should shelter in place inside your home.

And for the record, freedom is well defined in our country. Try reading the Constitution. In particular in Bill if Rights.

Americans’ freedoms are not limited by a persons definition of “impact”.

Sorry but that thinking pissed me off.
 
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Are we losing what is freedom when anyone that disagrees with someone's opinion then entitles them to be disrespectful and mean sprited . One person's thoughts don't change anything so it's not worth getting so upset over it. Middle ground is usually your best bet and that goes for our present situation.
 
gmacd81 said:
Celebrate their freedom to express them selves. And your right to sound like a deranged hater, Lance. Oh, and my right to tell you to f*** off.
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I continue to be amazed by people. So help me out and please answer a couple questions. How is putting yourself at risk of a deadly contagious disease intelligent? Seems to me it’s the opposite of intelligent, or stupid, or ignorant.

Also, even though they might be willing to become infected, how is it morally correct to infect others who have not made that decision? Does that sound morally right to you? Being willing to infect others with a deadly disease certainly doesn’t sound like something a good person would do.
 
El Capitan said:
Re:”One’s freedom is limited by the impact it has on others.”

Please define “impact”.

This is so ignorant and simplistic it boggles the mind.

Did you quarantine during seasonal flu?

People will believe whatever they hear and read on their news. The ability to think for themselves is gone thanks to the public school systems.

You sir should, really should shelter in place inside your home.

And for the record, freedom is well defined in our country. Try reading the Constitution. In particular in Bill if Rights.

Americans’ freedoms are not limited by a persons definition of “impact”.

Sorry but that thinking pissed me off.
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We have an explicit right to own and bear firearms, it’s right there in the Bill of Rights. That right does not extend to walking around in public and shooting dead the first elderly person you see. It’s not much different.

I agree with you intelligent thought has been lost. Please feel free to respond to my ethical and moral question posted above.
 
Yup its all a lie. Your freedoms were impacted enormously after 9/11 and "only" 4,000 people died. Let them protest its their right. But anyone at the protest should be denied a ventilator if they need it.

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El Capitan said:
Re:”One’s freedom is limited by the impact it has on others.”

Please define “impact”.

This is so ignorant and simplistic it boggles the mind.

Did you quarantine during seasonal flu?

People will believe whatever they hear and read on their news. The ability to think for themselves is gone thanks to the public school systems.

You sir should, really should shelter in place inside your home.

And for the record, freedom is well defined in our country. Try reading the Constitution. In particular in Bill if Rights.

Americans’ freedoms are not limited by a persons definition of “impact”.

Sorry but that thinking pissed me off.
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My thinking pissed you off? That's fine. Debate and polite disagreement is part of our national heritage. However, you do seem to delight in the modern less-polite version of attacking those with a different opinion.

The Constitution, the bedrock fundamental foundation of our nation, is the starting point of our society. Your viewpoint seems to be overlooking the fact that it has always been open to interpretation. Many areas were intentionally left vague in order to satisfy the Founders' competing interests. Indeed the Founding Fathers recognized the need for a body to interpret aspects of the Constitution well into the future, hence the Supreme Court.

I think if you look at the 230+ year history of legal interpretation of the Constitution, there is a wide body of legal jurisprudence that indicates that the freedoms enshrined in the Constitution are not without limit. One is not free to shout "fire" in a crowded theater when there is no fire. One is not free to commit murder. One is not free to slander or libel another. Police are not free to detain citizens without limit. Since you seem to think that every example is the only one relevant, these are only basic examples and not exhaustive. The basic idea is that your individual liberty is not so broad that it comes at the expense of mine. Hence the example of loud music at 1AM.

As far as sheltering in place, I have been to the extent possible. I wish to neither contract nor spread a highly contagious disease to my immune-compromised wife nor my elderly inlaws (whom I haven't been able to see in some time). Your comment about the flu is a red herring. The flu is neither as contagious nor as deadly as COVID-19. I do, however, get a flu shot annually because my wife can't for medical reasons. And it's the right thing to do to help keep my community safe.

Democracy is not easy. It's advanced citizenship and it comes with a heavy responsibility.
 
My response was not intended as an attack. It was a retort. You, and I, are free to express our opinions. Good sailing sir.
 
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I would suggest that instead of protesting as they have done they should simply, at least small businesses in less affected areas just reopen quietly. Use reasonable distancing and sanitation practices and get to work. Smaller construction companies should just start ramping back up on their projects and then pressure should come to bear on the local authorities to relax the restrictions. Although I agree that one of our most sacred rights is to gather and peacefully demonstrate against our government, lessons of how the Covid 19 virus spreads should rule the day and inform how demonstrations should look. I have zero fear of contracting it here where I live, but I'm not about to go shoulder to shoulder with tens or hundreds of people mask or no mask. What ever happened to rugged individualism anyway?
Soon this will be in the rear view, the media will tire of the subject and our financial wounds will heal, I just pray that we really do learn something from this and are better prepared locally and nationally for the next flu bug that blows in.
Cheer up!
Carpe Diem
 
My reply is not an attack. It is a retort. Specifically to your statement that freedom was contingent and limited based on the "impact" to other. You are sorely misguided if you believe this. That word does not appear in the Constitution nor the Bill of Rights as the limiting element to freedoms. Again, your word.

You, and I, are entitled to our opinions and to express them freely.

With regard to the flu shot, you do know it is only 20% effective? You also know more people die from seasonal flu EVERY YEAR FOR DECADES than this Chinese virus? Your statement about the mortality rate of Chinese virus and seasonal flu are unsubstantiated by the facts, given there are no facts nor data as the the common denominator. Therefore you cannot calculate fatality rates for Chinese virus.

I'm also sure you are aware that Dengue, which has emerged as the most important arboviral disease of humans, infects an estimated 400 million people annually?
 
Freedom has never been free since the declaration was signed.
Carry on!
 
El Capitan said:
My reply is not an attack. It is a retort. Specifically to your statement that freedom was contingent and limited based on the "impact" to other. You are sorely misguided if you believe this. That word does not appear in the Constitution nor the Bill of Rights as the limiting element to freedoms. Again, your word.

You, and I, are entitled to our opinions and to express them freely.

With regard to the flu shot, you do know it is only 20% effective? You also know more people die from seasonal flu EVERY YEAR FOR DECADES than this Chinese virus? Your statement about the mortality rate of Chinese virus and seasonal flu are unsubstantiated by the facts, given there are no facts nor data as the the common denominator. Therefore you cannot calculate fatality rates for Chinese virus.

I'm also sure you are aware that Dengue, which has emerged as the most important arboviral disease of humans, infects an estimated 400 million people annually?
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According to the CDC the most recent seasonal flu killed 20,000 to 60,000 people in the roughly five month period (mid October to first week in April) such stats are kept. Call it 40,000 for discussion. So far in the two month period mid February to present Covid-19 has killed 43,000 in the US. These are facts published by the US Government. How can you say they are even remotely close in terms of lethality? In Massachusetts it is killing 100 to 150 people a day. Again a fact as presented by the the Commonwealth of Mass.

Yes, Denque is a terrible scourge. It is transmitted by Asian mosquitos. Fortunately not too many of those around mid winter in the USA. It also has a vaccine and effective medical treatment.
 
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