Strange Odor...Need opinions

DWABoat

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Aug 13, 2019
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Boat Info
2001 280 Sundancer
1989 220CC Cuddy Cabin
Engines
Twin 4.3 w/Alpha Ones
5.7 Mercruiser Alpha One
I recently purchased 2001 280DA.
Vacuflush, Genset, a/c, twin 4.3s.
Everything works fine. New duckbills. System holds vacuum. I stopped timing after 15 minutes due to time constraints.

When I got the boat, I was cleaning and noticed the nasty condition of the shower sump under the steps going into the cabin. I removed it. Cleaned it up. Resealed the screw holes. Re-installed it.

The holding tank was about half full because the PO has never used it when he bought it two years before me. I pumped out the tank at a marina, got home filled it about halfway with tap water and treated it with a healthy helping NoFlex Digester. I can tell the NoFlex is working because it actually looks cleaner from the outside of the tank when I shine a light through it. Been about a month sitting in there.

My question. I have been detecting a “chemically” tainted odor when I raise the step for the sump area. It has maybe a little similarity to gas fumes but not quite the same. I have no gas fumes in the engine room and all my fuel lines and vents appear fine. The gas tank is completely separated from the cabin area. I only detect this odor in the sump area. I do not smell the odor in the head.

Is it possible for this smell to be related to the treatment of the holding tank? Is it possible for fumes from the holding tank/head system to 1) Smell “chemically“ when cleaning the holding tank using NoFlex; 2) if 1, then can those odors migrate up the sewer line, under the toilet, and over to the sump area?

The other possibility is the solvent base of the sealant I used on the screw holes for the sump. I used Hylomar. Great stuff, by the way. It has a solvent base that off-gasses and leaves the polyurethane sealer. I did this in September of last year. I think the solvent would have evaporated by now. However, some of you will know more about that process than me. Will being enclosed in a small area slow the evaporation of the Hylomar solvent?

I am sure this odor is not gasoline but it smells slightly similar. I just had both the engines out and have been crawling in that engine room for a month. No gasoline fumes at all the entire time. (With the layout of the 280, I can see the gas tank from the engine room by looking under the generator.) If the gas tank were leaking, the fumes and liquid would be in the engine compartment, for sure.

Ideas, please?
 
I recently purchased 2001 280DA.
Vacuflush, Genset, a/c, twin 4.3s.
Everything works fine. New duckbills. System holds vacuum. I stopped timing after 15 minutes due to time constraints.

When I got the boat, I was cleaning and noticed the nasty condition of the shower sump under the steps going into the cabin. I removed it. Cleaned it up. Resealed the screw holes. Re-installed it.

The holding tank was about half full because the PO has never used it when he bought it two years before me. I pumped out the tank at a marina, got home filled it about halfway with tap water and treated it with a healthy helping NoFlex Digester. I can tell the NoFlex is working because it actually looks cleaner from the outside of the tank when I shine a light through it. Been about a month sitting in there.

My question. I have been detecting a “chemically” tainted odor when I raise the step for the sump area. It has maybe a little similarity to gas fumes but not quite the same. I have no gas fumes in the engine room and all my fuel lines and vents appear fine. The gas tank is completely separated from the cabin area. I only detect this odor in the sump area. I do not smell the odor in the head.

Is it possible for this smell to be related to the treatment of the holding tank? Is it possible for fumes from the holding tank/head system to 1) Smell “chemically“ when cleaning the holding tank using NoFlex; 2) if 1, then can those odors migrate up the sewer line, under the toilet, and over to the sump area?

The other possibility is the solvent base of the sealant I used on the screw holes for the sump. I used Hylomar. Great stuff, by the way. It has a solvent base that off-gasses and leaves the polyurethane sealer. I did this in September of last year. I think the solvent would have evaporated by now. However, some of you will know more about that process than me. Will being enclosed in a small area slow the evaporation of the Hylomar solvent?

I am sure this odor is not gasoline but it smells slightly similar. I just had both the engines out and have been crawling in that engine room for a month. No gasoline fumes at all the entire time. (With the layout of the 280, I can see the gas tank from the engine room by looking under the generator.) If the gas tank were leaking, the fumes and liquid would be in the engine compartment, for sure.

Ideas, please?
Anything “is” possible ,if you didn’t have the smell before you did these two projects then it’s one or the other ,maybe you can remove the sump disconnect it ,take it out of the boat ,air out the cabin and check it in a day or two maybe have the head pumped out and see if that clears it up. Leave the step open and see if it gets worse or better in a few hours
 
You may have to change the hose(s) from the head to the tank. Over time, the hoses can breakdown and absorb the waste product smells.
 
Kat of No Flex recently joined as a supplier / site supporter. She goes by "Boaters Mate" on here, PM her and see if she has any ideas about it being from No Flex or not.
 
You may have to change the hose(s) from the head to the tank. Over time, the hoses can breakdown and absorb the waste product smells.
I thought I read once where old hoses can allow odors to seep through.

Is there a way to test them? Seems like a pretty daunting task to get to the ones under the head.
 
Kat of No Flex recently joined as a supplier / site supporter. She goes by "Boaters Mate" on here, PM her and see if she has any ideas about it being from No Flex or not.

Thanks. I will ask her.
 
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I thought I read once where old hoses can allow odors to seep through.

Is there a way to test them? Seems like a pretty daunting task to get to the ones under the head.
Yes. There is a way to test them. Take a clean white towel and wet it with water. Wring it out. Then wrap it around a hose from the head and rub it back and forth with a good amount of force. Unwrap it and smell the towel. If the hose is bad you will smell the foul oder on the towel. If it is bad, I would do a good job of irrigating the head. Then use a healthy dose of No Flex and let that remain the hoses for a couple of weeks and see if the small goes away. If it does, stay on top of your head maintenance. If the smell remains, replace the hoses. Poor maintenance causes the hoses to fail.
 
Thank you sir.
The longer I work on this boat, the more I realize the previous owner did not do preventative maintenance. As such, I am starting to believe my hoses need changing. This all started when I started using the head after it was dormant for two years.
 
Kat of No Flex recently joined as a supplier / site supporter. She goes by "Boaters Mate" on here, PM her and see if she has any ideas about it being from No Flex or not.

I sent her a PM, per your suggestion. Asked her to respond on this thread for all our information. Hey, that’s what this place is for, right?
 
A friend just had his hoses replaced on his 400SD. It is a 98 and the boat always had a funky smell. New hoses fixed the problem. The job took a pro about a day and a half to do but it was well worth the effort in the end. Now we don't mind stopping by and letting him buy us a drink!
Carpe Diem
 
A friend just had his hoses replaced on his 400SD. It is a 98 and the boat always had a funky smell. New hoses fixed the problem. The job took a pro about a day and a half to do but it was well worth the effort in the end. Now we don't mind stopping by and letting him buy us a drink!
Carpe Diem

Well, if No Flex let’s off a chemically kind of odor while it is working magic in the tank, that must be the issue. If, however, No Flex let’s off no, or a pleasant aroma, it must be the solvent off gassing from the Hylomar. I cannot find any other reason a chemical type odor would be in that little compartment. I guess I could pull the sump, clean out the Hylomar with acetone, let it sit for a few days, and see if the odor dissipates. That would be the easiest test.
Certainly easier and cheaper than changing those hoses.
Either way, I appreciate the interest and responses from all you guys.
 
Or rebuild it. Easy and much less costly. There are threads on here on how too's. New - $70 - $100 on good sale. Re build, $10.
 
I recently purchased 2001 280DA.
Vacuflush, Genset, a/c, twin 4.3s.
Everything works fine. New duckbills. System holds vacuum. I stopped timing after 15 minutes due to time constraints.

When I got the boat, I was cleaning and noticed the nasty condition of the shower sump under the steps going into the cabin. I removed it. Cleaned it up. Resealed the screw holes. Re-installed it.

The holding tank was about half full because the PO has never used it when he bought it two years before me. I pumped out the tank at a marina, got home filled it about halfway with tap water and treated it with a healthy helping NoFlex Digester. I can tell the NoFlex is working because it actually looks cleaner from the outside of the tank when I shine a light through it. Been about a month sitting in there.

My question. I have been detecting a “chemically” tainted odor when I raise the step for the sump area. It has maybe a little similarity to gas fumes but not quite the same. I have no gas fumes in the engine room and all my fuel lines and vents appear fine. The gas tank is completely separated from the cabin area. I only detect this odor in the sump area. I do not smell the odor in the head.

Is it possible for this smell to be related to the treatment of the holding tank? Is it possible for fumes from the holding tank/head system to 1) Smell “chemically“ when cleaning the holding tank using NoFlex; 2) if 1, then can those odors migrate up the sewer line, under the toilet, and over to the sump area?

The other possibility is the solvent base of the sealant I used on the screw holes for the sump. I used Hylomar. Great stuff, by the way. It has a solvent base that off-gasses and leaves the polyurethane sealer. I did this in September of last year. I think the solvent would have evaporated by now. However, some of you will know more about that process than me. Will being enclosed in a small area slow the evaporation of the Hylomar solvent?

I am sure this odor is not gasoline but it smells slightly similar. I just had both the engines out and have been crawling in that engine room for a month. No gasoline fumes at all the entire time. (With the layout of the 280, I can see the gas tank from the engine room by looking under the generator.) If the gas tank were leaking, the fumes and liquid would be in the engine compartment, for sure.

Ideas, please?
I recently purchased 2001 280DA.
Vacuflush, Genset, a/c, twin 4.3s.
Everything works fine. New duckbills. System holds vacuum. I stopped timing after 15 minutes due to time constraints.

When I got the boat, I was cleaning and noticed the nasty condition of the shower sump under the steps going into the cabin. I removed it. Cleaned it up. Resealed the screw holes. Re-installed it.

The holding tank was about half full because the PO has never used it when he bought it two years before me. I pumped out the tank at a marina, got home filled it about halfway with tap water and treated it with a healthy helping NoFlex Digester. I can tell the NoFlex is working because it actually looks cleaner from the outside of the tank when I shine a light through it. Been about a month sitting in there.

My question. I have been detecting a “chemically” tainted odor when I raise the step for the sump area. It has maybe a little similarity to gas fumes but not quite the same. I have no gas fumes in the engine room and all my fuel lines and vents appear fine. The gas tank is completely separated from the cabin area. I only detect this odor in the sump area. I do not smell the odor in the head.

Is it possible for this smell to be related to the treatment of the holding tank? Is it possible for fumes from the holding tank/head system to 1) Smell “chemically“ when cleaning the holding tank using NoFlex; 2) if 1, then can those odors migrate up the sewer line, under the toilet, and over to the sump area?

The other possibility is the solvent base of the sealant I used on the screw holes for the sump. I used Hylomar. Great stuff, by the way. It has a solvent base that off-gasses and leaves the polyurethane sealer. I did this in September of last year. I think the solvent would have evaporated by now. However, some of you will know more about that process than me. Will being enclosed in a small area slow the evaporation of the Hylomar solvent?

I am sure this odor is not gasoline but it smells slightly similar. I just had both the engines out and have been crawling in that engine room for a month. No gasoline fumes at all the entire time. (With the layout of the 280, I can see the gas tank from the engine room by looking under the generator.) If the gas tank were leaking, the fumes and liquid would be in the engine compartment, for sure.

Ideas, please?
I agree with all of your skilled colleagues advice here. The gas/chemical smell is not from Noflex.

Noflex doesn't leave a chemical smell, or any smell of any kind. It will neutralize all other chemicals that may have a smell. May I ask, did you use a sprinkle of Noflex to clean out your bilge area yet?

Use Noflex to neutralize smells coming from your bilge, shower drains, galley sink pipes. A little goes a long way. Please use plenty of fresh clean water to carry the Noflex Digestor granules into parts unknown. Let it sit overnight, and flush with clear water really well.

Don't use too much Noflex without adequate water in the sump pump area, or unused granules may swell and plug your sump pump. If that happens, you have to rinse it out. Allow a bit of Noflex to sit and digest overnight is best. Use less, and repeat if needed.

Maybe other members here have used Noflex to clear the bilge, and have better tips and tricks for you?

Please let me know what happens with this mystery chem smell issue. That way I can pass along the remedy to others who contact me off this site.


P.S. If you have 2.5 min to view my YouTube of me clearing the galley

(I didn't need this much. Use 1/4 the amount of Noflex as I did.)

Forgot to mention we're having a sale when purchased off our new Boaters Mate website instead of Amazon
https://www.boatersmate.com//10-off-noflex-digestor
 
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If you haven't already done so change the vent filter on the holding tank.
No, I have not. Likely original (19 yrs) given the history.
I will get on that.
 
I agree with all of your skilled colleagues advice here. The gas/chemical smell is not from Noflex.

Noflex doesn't leave a chemical smell, or any smell of any kind. It will neutralize all other chemicals that may have a smell. May I ask, did you use a sprinkle of Noflex to clean out your bilge area yet?

Use Noflex to neutralize smells coming from your bilge, shower drains, galley sink pipes. A little goes a long way. Please use plenty of fresh clean water to carry the Noflex Digestor granules into parts unknown. Let it sit overnight, and flush with clear water really well.

Don't use too much Noflex without adequate water in the sump pump area, or unused granules may swell and plug your sump pump. If that happens, you have to rinse it out. Allow a bit of Noflex to sit and digest overnight is best. Use less, and repeat if needed.

Maybe other members here have used Noflex to clear the bilge, and have better tips and tricks for you?

Please let me know what happens with this mystery chem smell issue. That way I can pass along the remedy to others who contact me off this site.


P.S. If you have 2.5 min to view my YouTube of me clearing the galley

(I didn't need this much. Use 1/4 the amount of Noflex as I did.)

Forgot to mention we're having a sale when purchased off our new Boaters Mate website instead of Amazon
https://www.boatersmate.com//10-off-noflex-digestor

Thank you for the info. That helps guide me.

I can see it has already worked wonders with the holding tank.
 
No, I have not. Likely original (19 yrs) given the history.
I will get on that.
That'll make a big difference to your dock neighbors when you flush the head, however may not be the source of bilge odor. The sealant used should have completely dried by now so it shouldn't be coming from there.

Outside of leaking fuel: The two sources I can think of are: excessive mold/mildew in the bilge and old head hoses (from toilet to holding tank).

Also your fuel tank is under the aft cabin bunk. If you smell fuel there - that's a big issue.
 
That is the confusing part. I removed the cushions in the mid-cabin. There is a small threaded access port over the fuel sending unit under the cushions. (The fuel sending unit has been changed.) I opened the access port and sniffed for fumes directly over the fuel tank - none. Everything looks fine on inspection.

For good measure, I pulled the sending unit and resealed around the fuel sending unit. I also sealed the access port flange to make sure no fumes were migrating, although there were none to begin with.

There is a solid wall between the fuel tank and the shower sump/galley. Even if the fuel tank was leaking, the fumes and fuel would enter the engine room.

The odors are not gasoline, but have a smell slightly similar to fuel or solvent.

Thanks for the ideas. I will keep checking everything.
 
That is the confusing part. I removed the cushions in the mid-cabin. There is a small threaded access port over the fuel sending unit under the cushions. (The fuel sending unit has been changed.) I opened the access port and sniffed for fumes directly over the fuel tank - none. Everything looks fine on inspection.

For good measure, I pulled the sending unit and resealed around the fuel sending unit. I also sealed the access port flange to make sure no fumes were migrating, although there were none to begin with.

There is a solid wall between the fuel tank and the shower sump/galley. Even if the fuel tank was leaking, the fumes and fuel would enter the engine room.

The odors are not gasoline, but have a smell slightly similar to fuel or solvent.

Thanks for the ideas. I will keep checking everything.


My money is on the Hylomar you used. According to the manufacturer it can off gas for months especially in a confined space.

http://hylomar.com/warrick/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Hylotyte-Red-SDS-Issue-2-DCM.pdf
 
That would certainly make sense. I have used Hylomar on many applications. Works very well. Never gets hard. However, never used it in an enclosed space.

Perhaps I could have made a better choice for sealing screw holes in the sump area.

I am going to remove the sump, clean off all the sealant, and let the area sit open for a few days to see if that is the source of the fumes. Since the boat is sitting on a trailer at my house, it is the perfect time to figure out this mystery.
 

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