50 amp to 30 amp.

As previously mentioned, If you have an isolation transformer then you need a reverse y adapter. For example, Marineco
Reverse Y Adapter, (2) 30A 125V Males to 50A 125/250V FemaleRY504-2-30
Thanks
Mike
The only way that can possibly work with an isolation transformer is if:
1. you plug both 30 amp plugs in to the dock system
2. the dock pedestal 30 amp receptacles are out of phase.
Not a good solution at all.... And, should your marina be updated with ground fault protection this would probably be tripping the marina's power due to no equal return current on the 120 volt neutrals.
 
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As has been mentioned the only way to get 250 volt from two 125 30 amp is IF the two 30 amp outlets are on different branches or legs of the marina main distribution.

This is the purpose of a "smart Wye" dual 30A 125 adaptor to 50A 125/250. The smart part senses if the two 30 amp circuits can provide 250 volt. If yes it enables; if no it stays off to protect your boats systems. With the transformer described before (250/120) would be zero volts out as both 250 volt input hot wires are really the same 125 volt hot wires so zero difference across them. This is how the "smart Wye" is disabled, it sees zero voltage across the hot legs.

Smart adaptor explanation at very end of page (appendix 1)
And a very detailed explanation of marine AC and 208/240 volt systems in the US
https://gilwellbear.wordpress.com/2019/07/26/electrical-behavior-of-a-208v-240v-boat/

Bottom line is there is no way without bypassing the transformer, and that's a whole nother thread...

As to the GFI protection. It only cares if there is an imbalance in the ground and neutral, the ground should never be carrying current, zero, the neutral should carry 100% of the return current. This is what will trip a GFCI or an ELCI if 30ma or more current is in the ground wire. With a 250/120 transformer there is no use of the neutral only the two hot legs. The 120 volt load is isolated only on the boat side of the transformer.
 
Also, some marinas have 50 amp 125 volt capabilities but those are rare and to my knowledge, Sea Ray has never optioned for this.
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My dock has 50amp/120 volt power 3 prong power. I use a Marinco 50 amp to 30 amp adapter connected to a Marinco Y adapter to 2-30 amp cables to feed the boat (2000 400DB). I have never measured it to see if it is actually 120 or 125 volt as mentioned.
 
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My dock has 50amp/120 volt power 3 prong power. I use a Marinco 50 amp to 30 amp adapter connected to a Marinco Y adapter to 2-30 amp cables to feed the boat (2000 400DB). I have never measured it to see if it is actually 120 or 125 volt as mentioned.
Be careful with that arrangement - That dock circuit breaker trips (obviously) at 50 amps; so, all of the devices including wiring must be rated to 50 amps minimum to the next circuit breaker in line. Power cords and connections rated at 30 amps will not trip the 50 amp circuit breaker when at their maximum capability and can be a fire hazard....
 
Be careful with that arrangement - That dock circuit breaker trips (obviously) at 50 amps; so, all of the devices including wiring must be rated to 50 amps minimum to the next circuit breaker in line. Power cords and connections rated at 30 amps will not trip the 50 amp circuit breaker when at their maximum capability and can be a fire hazard....
Just to add some clarification. That 50/125 setup is a single 50 amp leg, split across 2 - 30 Amp boat circuits. Splitting at the dock with a Marinco 152AY will trip at the dock once the boat pulls a sum total of 50 amps (its all on the same circuit).
 
Just to add some clarification. That 50/125 setup is a single 50 amp leg, split across 2 - 30 Amp boat circuits. Splitting at the dock with a Marinco 152AY will trip at the dock once the boat pulls a sum total of 50 amps (its all on the same circuit).
Hmm - I thought that Steve S was talking about those rare 50 amp 125 volt single line circuits ("three prong receptacles" as he states). Agree, most marine installations are either 50 Amp 125/250 volt two line and/or 30 amp 125 volt single line. The 50 Amp 125/250 volt receptacles have three blades and grounded outer shell (essentially 4 conductors). It is very common to split the 50 amp 125/250 volt into two 125 volt feeds to the boat.
 
@ttmott I am in need of advice. We are about to embark on a trip later this summer. One of the marinas that we are visiting only has 30 Amp 125 Volt pedastals. My boat (2006 Sea Ray 48) is a 50 Amp 250 Volt set up (At the main panel in the salon, my shore power connections reads +/- 250 Volts. My research shows that the Marinco Reverse Y Adapter, (2) 30A 125V Males to 50A 125/250V Female is the part I need. Marinco Part number RY504-2-30.

Can you confirm?
https://www.hodgesmarine.com/macry504-2-30-marinco-ry504230-50a-female-to-230a-male-reve.html

Thanks,

Jaybeaux
 
Yes, I have carried one for 15 years and 150' of 30amp power cord. They will not work if plugged into the same circuit.
 
@ttmott I am in need of advice. We are about to embark on a trip later this summer. One of the marinas that we are visiting only has 30 Amp 125 Volt pedastals. My boat (2006 Sea Ray 48) is a 50 Amp 250 Volt set up (At the main panel in the salon, my shore power connections reads +/- 250 Volts. My research shows that the Marinco Reverse Y Adapter, (2) 30A 125V Males to 50A 125/250V Female is the part I need. Marinco Part number RY504-2-30.

Can you confirm?
https://www.hodgesmarine.com/macry504-2-30-marinco-ry504230-50a-female-to-230a-male-reve.html

Thanks,

Jaybeaux
Yes that is the correct adapter. There is a catch however.
The two 30 amp receptacles on the dock must be out of phase (sometimes called "split phase") which I've seen and not seen depending upon the marina.
To find out if it is out of phase measure the voltage between the HOT sockets across both receptacles. If you get between 220V and 240V it is out of phase and will work. If you get 0V they are in phase and will not work on your boat.
If they are in phase and your boat does not have an isolation transformer then your 120V circuits will work but the 220V stuff will not. If you have an isolation transformer and the circuits are in phase you will be completely SOL.
Shore-Power-50-A-125-V-tif
 
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Yes that is the correct adapter. There is a catch however.
The two 30 amp receptacles on the dock must be out of phase which I've seen and not seen depending upon the marina.
To find out if it is out of phase measure the voltage between the HOT sockets across both receptacles. If you get between 220V and 240V it is out of phase and will work. If you get 0V they are in phase and will not work on your boat.
If they are in phase and your boat does not have an isolation transformer then your 120V circuits will work but the 220V stuff will not. If you have an isolation transformer and the circuits are in phase you will be completely SOL.
Shore-Power-50-A-125-V-tif

that is why I carry 150' of 30 amp power cord...
 
Ah… I was such a babe in arms back then!
Here’s what I had to do:
I had a new transformer installed. It switches from 50 amp to 30 amp.
If I am plugged into 30 amp. I don’t run the 240 volt systems. Should I need them I fire up the gen. set. (That is mostly heat pumps.)
I have a post with two 30 amp plugs —- I am golden on 50 amp. BUT they have to be on separate legs.
If I have 50 amp service at the dock. I am golden.
The transformer was about 3K. The labor and installation… Ouch. But it’s nice to have 30 amp service when needed.
 
Yes that is the correct adapter. There is a catch however.
The two 30 amp receptacles on the dock must be out of phase (sometimes called "split phase") which I've seen and not seen depending upon the marina.
To find out if it is out of phase measure the voltage between the HOT sockets across both receptacles. If you get between 220V and 240V it is out of phase and will work. If you get 0V they are in phase and will not work on your boat.
If they are in phase and your boat does not have an isolation transformer then your 120V circuits will work but the 220V stuff will not. If you have an isolation transformer and the circuits are in phase you will be completely SOL.
Shore-Power-50-A-125-V-tif


This!
Must be 2 separate 30am legs.
 

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