Electronics upgrade...convince me not to spend this money on Garmin...please?

Disclaimer - I did not cut that larger opening that shows the drill holes every 1/4" in the glass. The more work I do on this boat the more I wonder about the prior owner...

To be fair to the prior owner, you're only assuming he used a drill to make a cut-out! It's entirely possible that that he had a well-trained pet beaver whom he held up to the dash. Was the boat previously named "Yabba Dabba Doo"? :D
 
To be fair to the prior owner, you're only assuming he used a drill to make a cut-out! It's entirely possible that that he had a well-trained pet beaver whom he held up to the dash. Was the boat previously named "Yabba Dabba Doo"? :D

I had a good laugh when that panel came off. And of course a boat neighbor stopped over 5 minutes after I got the panel removed - "what the hell did you do to that thing", "start drinking early today", "still have all your fingers". I'll own my own fair share of shoddery (definitely not a word) but at least use the right tool if you're going to destroy something :)
 
Well the electronics upgrade is all set...for now :)

I got the plotters and VHF installed before the long weekend started. The install went well. This coming winter I will replace the lower dash panel to make this look "nearly perfect" but I'm not going to mess with it this year. Moving the autopilot one slot over was more of a challenge than it should have been. The mounting became a problem and the existing dash panel openings were not ideal for adding two big plotters with suncovers and preserving the existing spaces. It got a bit cramped in the middle.

I give the Garmin units a 10/10 after one weekend and one after-dark trip. Once I get my Fusion head unit integrated I'll be even more pleased. Next year....Fox Gateways for the engines for sure.

And Roller - the first thing my wife said once it was done was "I wish the autopilot was black". And the list continues to grow....

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Looks great! I'll be insanely jealous when you get the gateways. I wish the prices would come down - I can't justify $600 when I already have fuel meters...

And Roller - the first thing my wife said once it was done was "I wish the autopilot was black". And the list continues to grow....

lol Well if the lady didn't have such good taste, would you have a 400DA in the first place?

You know my fingers were itching to type a dig about that ugly grey-green box before I read that line! Remember: I have a spare 650. If you crack the circuitboard in two or drop it on a tile floor during the painting process, I'll hook you up. No excuses - go buy some paint!
 
Looks great! I'll be insanely jealous when you get the gateways. I wish the prices would come down - I can't justify $600 when I already have fuel meters...



lol Well if the lady didn't have such good taste, would you have a 400DA in the first place?

You know my fingers were itching to type a dig about that ugly grey-green box before I read that line! Remember: I have a spare 650. If you crack the circuitboard in two or drop it on a tile floor during the painting process, I'll hook you up. No excuses - go buy some paint!

It was hilarious and timely. I'm sure it's going to happen now that both you and my wife are on me about it. :) I also ordered up some cheapo Ratheon stickers from eBay for the suncovers. I may paint the suncovers for both my radar and pilot and do the autopilot face at the same time.

And thank you for the offer on the "oooppss" scenario. It's nice to know I have a backup plan!
 
The tricky parts of painting the 650 is removing the circuit board from the top shell once you open it up, and aligning it correctly during re-assembly so the membrane buttons work. I had a plastic pry tool from a computer toolkit that worked perfectly to get under the board to pry it out. The buttons are just a juggling act and trial/error.

I painted the cover too, but it wasn't such a success. I resorted to wet-sanding to get the top layer of plastic off the cover, and even then it's not as smooth as I'd like it to be.
 
So Stee, how about an update/review?

Are you pleased with the 742's?
How do you use them? Are you using the Media page for your Fusion, or do you find the remote more convenient?
How's that AP650 painting project coming along? :D
Are you using ActiveCaptain for anything aside from updates?
 
So Stee, how about an update/review?

Are you pleased with the 742's?
How do you use them? Are you using the Media page for your Fusion, or do you find the remote more convenient?
How's that AP650 painting project coming along? :D
Are you using ActiveCaptain for anything aside from updates?

Hey thanks for asking, Roller! I couldn't be more pleased after having run one "long distance" trip so far since the install. I have another coming up in a few weeks and hope to continue to refine my process.

I'm currently using the 742's both for guidance while underway. I really like having the same route on both screens but have one zoomed out to see the entire route while the other is zoomed in to see depth and contour detail along with the Active Captain inputs. This may seem strange but I've also gone one unit running in nautical miles with the other running statute. You can never have too much data? ha. I believe you can run two charts (zooms) on one screen as well....but having them full size is pretty cool :)

I really appreciated the dual screens during my recent trip to Chicago. I was about 40% of the way across Lake Michigan when NOAA issued a special marine warning for Chicago for some wicked storms quickly forming over the city. I took the opportunity to use one of the 742 screens to find the nearest port south of my position (Michigan City, IN), created a new course and even got the phone number for the harbor master. While navigating to the new course I kept the other screen set to Chicago to see how far I was deviating. Not necessary but definitely nice to have.

I've got a 15meter NMEA cord waiting behind the helm to be pulled to the Fusion headunit. I'll get it done this month for sure. But for the time being I've been very pleased with the stick-on remotes. The only exception being that keeping both remotes paired seems inconsistent. I regularly have to repair both remotes to keep them both connected. Once paired they are good while the power is on but once I shutdown it's a crapshoot as to whether or not either one, or both, will connect when I power back up.

For local trips I definitely plan to use the second screen for audio control very soon. And engine data next year :)

On Garmin in general - love it. The updates for the plotters push to my phone. Once onboard I simply turn on the plotters, they connect to my phone and start their own updates (including routes I add on my phone). So easy. I probably only know 5% of the cool things these plotters do so far. But it's been great. Gateways are in the future for sure. Having an engine room camera or cabin camera would be super cool too but....I don't really want a second job.

AP650 painting is on my list for winter. I don't want to tear my dash apart again this summer! I'm planning to replace the entire panel over winter...do a better job on cutting the openings.

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Hey thanks for asking, Roller! I couldn't be more pleased after having run one "long distance" trip so far since the install. I have another coming up in a few weeks and hope to continue to refine my process.

I'm currently using the 742's both for guidance while underway. I really like having the same route on both screens but have one zoomed out to see the entire route while the other is zoomed in to see depth and contour detail along with the Active Captain inputs. This may seem strange but I've also gone one unit running in nautical miles with the other running statute. You can never have too much data? ha. I believe you can run two charts (zooms) on one screen as well....but having them full size is pretty cool :)

I really appreciated the dual screens during my recent trip to Chicago. I was about 40% of the way across Lake Michigan when NOAA issued a special marine warning for Chicago for some wicked storms quickly forming over the city. I took the opportunity to use one of the 742 screens to find the nearest port south of my position (Michigan City, IN), created a new course and even got the phone number for the harbor master. While navigating to the new course I kept the other screen set to Chicago to see how far I was deviating. Not necessary but definitely nice to have.

I've got a 15meter NMEA cord waiting behind the helm to be pulled to the Fusion headunit. I'll get it done this month for sure. But for the time being I've been very pleased with the stick-on remotes. The only exception being that keeping both remotes paired seems inconsistent. I regularly have to repair both remotes to keep them both connected. Once paired they are good while the power is on but once I shutdown it's a crapshoot as to whether or not either one, or both, will connect when I power back up.

For local trips I definitely plan to use the second screen for audio control very soon. And engine data next year :)

On Garmin in general - love it. The updates for the plotters push to my phone. Once onboard I simply turn on the plotters, they connect to my phone and start their own updates (including routes I add on my phone). So easy. I probably only know 5% of the cool things these plotters do so far. But it's been great. Gateways are in the future for sure. Having an engine room camera or cabin camera would be super cool too but....I don't really want a second job.

AP650 painting is on my list for winter. I don't want to tear my dash apart again this summer! I'm planning to replace the entire panel over winter...do a better job on cutting the openings.

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That's so awesome to hear how you are using the dual screens. I just had dual 8612's installed on my helm, and you gave me ideas of how to use them! I also have radar and was planning on running radar on one and map on the other; I really like your ideas. Can't wait to try out the Active Captain, too.
 
That's so awesome to hear how you are using the dual screens. I just had dual 8612's installed on my helm, and you gave me ideas of how to use them! I also have radar and was planning on running radar on one and map on the other; I really like your ideas. Can't wait to try out the Active Captain, too.

Someday I hope to save enough sheckles to upgrade my radar as well. At that point I'd have three screens with nearly limitless possibilities! You're going to love the integration with your radar. It couldn't be much easier. If I were in your shoes I'd probably run radar and a chart on one split screen and use the other unit for a full screen chart.

I'm sure you already know this but you can mirror your Garmin screens on your phone/tablet too. With radar included you can basically get all of your nav data anywhere on the boat you want without buying another actual Garmin unit!
 
Someday I hope to save enough sheckles to upgrade my radar as well. At that point I'd have three screens with nearly limitless possibilities! You're going to love the integration with your radar. It couldn't be much easier. If I were in your shoes I'd probably run radar and a chart on one split screen and use the other unit for a full screen chart.

I'm sure you already know this but you can mirror your Garmin screens on your phone/tablet too. With radar included you can basically get all of your nav data anywhere on the boat you want without buying another actual Garmin unit!

I can't wait to try out my system. I get to see it tomorrow. I hadn't realized about the mirror part on the tablet - I'll check that out too. I had planned to add an autopilot, but that has to wait a while.

I went with the 24" Phantom radar - I'm excited to try that out too, and generally learn how to use radar! I saw it on the boat Monday; I didn't realize how large it would look!

My installer sent me a photo of the helm with the two 8612's installed. Such a big upgrade from the single 4208 on my 270 AJ.

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I can't wait to try out my system. I get to see it tomorrow. I hadn't realized about the mirror part on the tablet - I'll check that out too. I had planned to add an autopilot, but that has to wait a while.

I went with the 24" Phantom radar - I'm excited to try that out too, and generally learn how to use radar! I saw it on the boat Monday; I didn't realize how large it would look!

My installer sent me a photo of the helm with the two 8612's installed. Such a big upgrade from the single 4208 on my 270 AJ.

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You're killing me. Those things are awesome! Massive screens....

Roller can likely confirm this too but I think you can even tie in HDMI devices to your screens. If you ever wanted to port TV/Video to your screens for times at anchor, I believe you have that capability.

Enjoy the new toys!
 
You're killing me. Those things are awesome! Massive screens....

Roller can likely confirm this too but I think you can even tie in HDMI devices to your screens. If you ever wanted to port TV/Video to your screens for times at anchor, I believe you have that capability.

Enjoy the new toys!
Good call on the HDMI, I think you're right! The boat came with a TV and DVD player in the cabin - I could route a cable up to the helm. Another future project!

It also comes with a factory-provided Fusion radio; the factory ran an N2K connection up to the helm for integration with the MFD. I'm going to be so connected I won't know what to do with myself.
 
I can't wait to try out my system. I get to see it tomorrow. I hadn't realized about the mirror part on the tablet - I'll check that out too. I had planned to add an autopilot, but that has to wait a while.

I went with the 24" Phantom radar - I'm excited to try that out too, and generally learn how to use radar! I saw it on the boat Monday; I didn't realize how large it would look!

My installer sent me a photo of the helm with the two 8612's installed. Such a big upgrade from the single 4208 on my 270 AJ.

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Brad, did you have an external card reader installed? If not, there are card readers on the back of the MFDs but they might be a PITA to access. You will need to have a card in place for ActiveCaptain functionality at a minimum and for copying and transferring charts if that is something you need to do.
 
Roller can likely confirm this too but I think you can even tie in HDMI devices to your screens. If you ever wanted to port TV/Video to your screens for times at anchor, I believe you have that capability.

Yep, the 86 series have HDMI ports, but many of the older systems have video ports of one style or another: VGA, DVI, RCA etc. Just when I thought they were going out of style everywhere else, Garmin started using BNC connections on units like our 742's. I bought a BNC-to-RCA adapter for about $2.

I've probably used the video out more than the input over the years. It can be nice to enjoy a cup of coffee at the helm while watching the morning news, but displaying a chartplotter on the TV has more uses. I'm doing that less now that I can mirror screens to the iPad though. If only I had dual wide-screen TV screens in the salon... :D
 
Brad, did you have an external card reader installed? If not, there are card readers on the back of the MFDs but they might be a PITA to access. You will need to have a card in place for ActiveCaptain functionality at a minimum and for copying and transferring charts if that is something you need to do.
I didn’t have a external one installed, but I did consider how to get to the back post-install.

Back Cove designed the helm so the entire top tilts forward for access to the back side. The bottom is hinged. You remove a thumb screw at the back, and the entire helm tilts forward for easy access.

Edit: added a photo of the helm.

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Just for reference, I got a pic of the underside of the helm when it's tipped forward.

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