Upgrade to 410 Sundancer/ Express 2000-2003

dtfeld said:
Did not know that! One of the known issues with most of the Sea Rays of this vintage is that the laminate separated/peeled. It can be repaired, or if this boat suits you, the white could easily be resurfaced. Regardless of color, you would have a sweet ride!
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I ha e not had any trouble with the cabinets delaminating. May it's beda use it is dry and under cover. I also keep bilge and cabin at 60 degrees in winter with very low humidity ( about 30%)
 
I've heard Hot&Humid and UV exposure. Mine has the issue on several curved surfaces especially around the door/Cabin TV/fridge where you would get HOT Humid and UV no matter what you did.
 
dtfeld said:
Looking at the spec's it basically the same hull and layout of the 2001-2004 410 Sundancer...The 2001-2004 wood grain laminate peels and separates anyway, and might be in need of some MX.
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The 410 came out for the 2000 model year so it actually had a five year run from 2000-2004.
 
I just looked at a 2000 410DA in Milwaukee. Low hour (380) gas Motors. I did have some cabinet delaminating issues. Not a bad boat but I think I’ll hold out for a Diesel .
Also did had no avionics no radar no plotter no auto pilot no stereo upgrade. Salesman just said it was a good opportunity for new equipment.
 
310sundancer said:
I just looked at a 2000 410DA in Milwaukee. Low hour (380) gas Motors. I did have some cabinet delaminating issues. Not a bad boat but I think I’ll hold out for a Diesel .
Also did had no avionics no radar no plotter no auto pilot no stereo upgrade. Salesman just said it was a good opportunity for new equipment.
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380 is a great boat as well, basic differences, no second head (that’s where most of the extra LOA get used for) and a couple inches narrower. There are some other small differences, and there are some diesels available.

One with no electronics (priced accordingly) isn’t a bad thing. Most original electronics on this era of boat are severely out of date/obsolete/not supported/retired. Being able to add your own solves a lot of issues with compatibility and plugging the existing holes.

The latest electronics are expensive but very capable. I’ve had good luck upgrading to a generation old for a very reasonable price.

I wouldn’t kick one to the curb because of the electronics.
 
Hello 310, I'll just throw my opinion out there. I don't blame you for wanting a diesel so did I. The more research I did and then comparing it to the kind of boating I do on Lake St Clair I realized diesel wasn't as important to me as I thought. I would have definitely bought one though if the right one came around. Anyway realizing that I was able to broaden my search. Because for me I only wanted the 99' model year (I won't get into that though, just personal preference). I had a few worries about the gassers, 1) underpowered 2) poor fuel economy. 1) not even close to an issue, I can get on plane without tabs if I want to and my top speed recorded on the plotter is 37 mph (I believe I hit that coming south on the St. Clair river but can easily hit 32 to 34 across the lake if I want). 2) I was hearing .5 mpg or less. That’s not the case for me. I have tracked a few tanks of fuel and have averaged between .748 and .758 mpg. So when asked I just say I get 3/4 of mile per gallon. Like I said if I had 2 great 400's sitting next to each other that I liked the same I would probably pick the diesel one, but gas vs. Diesel was not my deciding factor after my research. Good luck on your search. Maybe we'll bump into each other at MacRay sometime. I'm on Seabreeze.
 
Ezsteps said:
Hello 310, I'll just throw my opinion out there. I don't blame you for wanting a diesel so did I. The more research I did and then comparing it to the kind of boating I do on Lake St Clair I realized diesel wasn't as important to me as I thought. I would have definitely bought one though if the right one came around. Anyway realizing that I was able to broaden my search. Because for me I only wanted the 99' model year (I won't get into that though, just personal preference). I had a few worries about the gassers, 1) underpowered 2) poor fuel economy. 1) not even close to an issue, I can get on plane without tabs if I want to and my top speed recorded on the plotter is 37 mph (I believe I hit that coming south on the St. Clair river but can easily hit 32 to 34 across the lake if I want). 2) I was hearing .5 mpg or less. That’s not the case for me. I have tracked a few tanks of fuel and have averaged between .748 and .758 mpg. So when asked I just say I get 3/4 of mile per gallon. Like I said if I had 2 great 400's sitting next to each other that I liked the same I would probably pick the diesel one, but gas vs. Diesel was not my deciding factor after my research. Good luck on your search. Maybe we'll bump into each other at MacRay sometime. I'm on Seabreeze.
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Make sure you call out the difference between statute and nautical miles! ha :):) We'd need to have our oars in the water to be getting 3/4nmpg.

This whole diesel vs gas topic is an interesting debate in our size range. A few curious observations - 1.) Pretty much all of us started shopping with diesels as a preference, 2.) many (more?) of us will choose a diesel while, for certain boating applications, they may offer marginal operating benefits relative to their cost, 3.) those who ended up with diesels will swear by them and recommend "there is no other motor suitable for a boat this size, regardless of how you use the boat" and 4.) those who end up with gassers will profess their love for the handling, quote the low upfront cost, justify their operating economy, recommend that folks shopping at least "give them a shot" and lament that we too initially wanted diesels before we saw the light and were saved by the gasoline gods.

Obviously boating is a losing financial prospect from the beginning so really...I'm not even sure why we debate gas/diesel? It's all fiscal bafoonery. We don't debate $20k on electronics! But at the same time you won't see may of the guys running $50K Simrad setups posting "your $800 Garmin charplotter has no place on a 40' boat if you plan on leaving the docks". Maybe that's the rub...the elitist diesel owners trying to keep us down :)

An interesting survey for CSR would be: If operating a 20 year old 40' boat what item would have more impact on your overall boating enjoyment 1.) $30k worth of diesel engine upgrade, 2.) $30k worth of audio/navigation/electronics, 3.) $30k worth of hydraulic swim platform or 4.) $30k investment in plastic surgery for the admiral, fuel for the summer and a fully stocked bar on the boat.
 
1.)$30k worth of diesel engine upgrade, 2.) $30k worth ofaudio/navigation/electronics, 3.) $30k worth of hydraulic swim platform or 4.) $30k investment in plastic surgery for the admiral, fuel for the summer and a fully stocked bar on the boat.

Is all of the above above too much to ask :D?
 
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Ezsteps said:
Hello 310, I'll just throw my opinion out there. I don't blame you for wanting a diesel so did I. The more research I did and then comparing it to the kind of boating I do on Lake St Clair I realized diesel wasn't as important to me as I thought. I would have definitely bought one though if the right one came around. Anyway realizing that I was able to broaden my search. Because for me I only wanted the 99' model year (I won't get into that though, just personal preference). I had a few worries about the gassers, 1) underpowered 2) poor fuel economy. 1) not even close to an issue, I can get on plane without tabs if I want to and my top speed recorded on the plotter is 37 mph (I believe I hit that coming south on the St. Clair river but can easily hit 32 to 34 across the lake if I want). 2) I was hearing .5 mpg or less. That’s not the case for me. I have tracked a few tanks of fuel and have averaged between .748 and .758 mpg. So when asked I just say I get 3/4 of mile per gallon. Like I said if I had 2 great 400's sitting next to each other that I liked the same I would probably pick the diesel one, but gas vs. Diesel was not my deciding factor after my research. Good luck on your search. Maybe we'll bump into each other at MacRay sometime. I'm on Seabreeze.
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Well this is the first 410 that I have looked at. The next one I’m gonna look at is a Diesel and only 10,000 more than this one. And yes it has the old electronics. But it also has a hydraulic lift, and bow thruster.
Just trying to get a feel for what’s out there. I’m not too worried about gas mileage,
I would consider a gas powered if the price is right.
As for now I’m on Spindrift, boat name NAUTI GIRL. The admiral does not get to name this one. Stop on by anytime.
Steve
 
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