mnm99
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When I get home I'll post a picture of the letter I got.
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I moor My Boat in Mt Sinai but I just upgraded to a 380 so i am going to need a bigger mooring. We typically Raft up 5 boats ranging in size from 31 to a 42 without a issue on a 600lb mooring. I am curious what new laws you have seen and where you are locatedWho know the weight a mooring can hold for real? I own a 500lb mooring and used to be able to raft 3 boats without a problem. As of this year all the rules are changing and may cost me a fortune. I would have to buy a 1000lb mooring in order to raft the same 3 boats. I'm wondering the physics behind how a mooring will securely hold a boat works. Over the years I never had a problem no matter what size boat I had rafted. Whats your input on this? Yea..The letter says Happy New year...Whatever..
When I get home I'll post a picture of the letter I got.
See my first most. I updated it..I'm in the Cove. It says we can never raft more than 3. SO far I found out my 34' Is good with the 500lb and 1 other boat. They don't say how big though. As far as I know it could be a 50ft.. But yet a friend who owns a 31 foot boat can raft 3 without a problem. I think they are making it that it cant be over the size of the original boat on the mooring. Either way there are many of us that aren't happy. They are saying it's all for safety...It's gonna cost $750 to install it in the spring and $750 to pull it in the fall plus the initial $1500+ for the mooring!!!...Double what were paying now........I moor My Boat in Mt Sinai but I just upgraded to a 380 so i am going to need a bigger mooring. We typically Raft up 5 boats ranging in size from 31 to a 42 without a issue on a 600lb mooring. I am curious what new laws you have seen and where you are located
Is the Cove "pirates cove" in Port Jefferson?See my first most. I updated it..I'm in the Cove. It says we can never raft more than 3. SO far I found out my 34' Is good with the 500lb and 1 other boat. They don't say how big though. As far as I know it could be a 50ft.. But yet a friend who owns a 31 foot boat can raft 3 without a problem. I think they are making it that it cant be over the size of the original boat on the mooring. Either way there are many of us that aren't happy. They are saying it's all for safety...It's gonna cost $750 to install it in the spring and $750 to pull it in the fall plus the initial $1500+ for the mooring!!!...Double what were paying now........
Is the Cove "pirates cove" in Port Jefferson?
Interesting discussion. I kinda assume virtually all harbors have regulations/guidelines for their boating community regarding moorings. In our harbor, there are very specific minimum requirements based on boat size. We have to have inspections done by certified marine services every other year with photos and an inspection certificate filed with the town harbormaster. Over the years, and a few hurricanes they got serious about it.
The regulations specify weight of mushroom or pyramid to be LOD(ft) x beam(ft) x 1.5 lbs (LOD length on deck). For deadweight moorings, it’s double that.
They also specify 3 levels of chain, for example, boats 36-45ft need 1 1/2” bottom (navy) chain, 1” intermediate chain, and 5/8” top chain. The lengths required vary based on high water depth.
Minimum pennant for 25-36’ is 3/4” nylon 3 strand. Over 36’ requires 1”. They even specify minimum chafe gear on the pennant.
It’s expensive to pay for the inspection every 2 years. We used to be able to dive on them and “self inspect”, but you can imagine how many folks took advantage of that and didn’t do it. You then have a storm blow thru, and boats breaks lose, hitting others as they go adrift thru the harbor driven by the storm. Lotta property damage from people with undersized and/or poorly maintained gear.
It's not as if their rules/moorings are designed for any 'specific' 3 boats. Somehow they have to have all combinations covered.We only have one company that can install and remove them. Pretty much a monopoly and don't have a choice. They are installed and pulled every season and they follow there standards. We have no say in the regulations. As northern mentioned, I'm curious of the formula they are using? So far it only looks like length. This I can't understand. I own a 34ft that weighs 16,000lb and is low to the water. My friend had a 32ft Bridge boat that weighs 20,000lbs and has much more pulling force because of his height. BUT...He can get away with a 500lb mooring and I need a 1000lb....
We boat in Washington some times. The state has many parks with buoys. On the buoys they state the boat size and how many boats can be moored to it. Based on that there has to be an engineering formula they use to set the capacity of a mooring buoy. If your state has them in parks perhaps they could give you the formula they use to set mooring capacity. If not ask the Washington State parks department.
I'm in Setauket, so am subject to the same Town of Brookhaven mooring regulations as you. I use 2 moorings: 1 that is rented as part of my seasonal service, and 1 owned that gets dropped in the NW mooring area. My mooring installer feels that the Town's rules related mooring weights and rafting are ill-conceived and not based on any verifiable standard. Basically, the Town picked a number out of the hat with regard to mooring weights for rafts.
The irony is that since the Town enacted the upper limit of 3 boats per mooring (with special permit), I've NEVER seen the rule enforced. Last year there were massive raft-ups in Port Jeff of 15-20 boats on a single mooring. The harbor master never bothered them; they just went after the few jetskiers that were pretty much minding their own business.
Nope. They got that one figured out too. Not allow to anchor any closer than 50ft to any mooring. Not allowed to drop anchor when connected to a mooring.I’ve been hassled in several different places about rafting more than 3 boats on a mooring.
We are just hanging out for the day in calm weather.
The trick or workaround is to have the excess boats drop their anchors while still rafted to you.
This is just for “show” purposes only
Don’t let them actually hit bottom and set or you’ll be in a twisted mess!
I sorta learned this from the Harbor Master.
He insisted any boat over the limit must have an anchor down.....he didn’t say it had to hit the bottom!
Now when he motors by us he see more than enough anchor lines in the water and doesn’t bother us anymore.
... So Murphys is putting yours in too then.
Romaine won't help. I talked to Bonner. See.. I don't have a choice who put's mine in. He has it locked up. The cost now is $325 and will go up to $750 if I do the 1000lb.No, I use someone else.
Send a message to Supervisor Romaine. I have found him quite responsive. Who is your Councilperson?