What the heck is going on with our country?

I just wanted to make the point that in a country that elects someone who claims to grab pussies and endorses a scumbag who grab 14 year old pussies, men of quality character CAN OFFER A CONSENSUAL HUG IN PUBLIC TO ANOTHER ADULT!

I would however suggest you only hug adults of the opposite gender. The F'ing M just endorsed someone for the Senate who believes homosexuality should be illegal.

let's do better folks.
Hmmmm, were you as vehement in your condemnations when we had a former pres who got a blow job in the oval office, lied about it to the American public, had a lineup of women who stood by him and vouched for his integrity and honesty, only to be proven to be a liar and impeached for his sins?

Just sayin'.
 
No I wasn't, for damn good, BIG reasons:

- I didn't have to! HE FACED IMPEACHMENT!
- The BJ was consensual
- The BJ was performed by an adult, to an adult
- Moore is sub-human. I hope YOU are condemning him too.
 
When facts turn people apocalyptic, the term snow flake is appropriate.
 
i normally stay quiet on topics such as this and probably should stay out of it now....but all of this recent publicity on the inappropriate conduct of public figures has given me cause to reflect on the subject....

the question that comes to my mind is how many heterosexual adult men can HONESTLY say that throughout their lifetime have done none of the same things that these public figures have been accused of?.....you have never made any comments about a woman that by today's standards would be considered inappropriate....you have never heard and passed on a 'joke' that was demeaning to women....you have never made sexually oriented comments by text or email about a woman.....you have never hugged a woman without her permission.....you have never done your best to convince a woman to be with you when she is hesitant....and all of the other allegations that are being thrown around by the media and the accusers....even having indecent thoughts about women should be included.....

if you can HONESTYLY say you have not done any of these things then by all means continue to publicly cast your stones at the character of the men that have.....if you have done any of these things then maybe we should be a little more reserved in how we pass judgment....

personally I will keep my judgment to myself....

cliff
 
My great aunt of 95 wondered about the country going to hell. "What's wrong with people these days?" That was in the late 60's. I take that sentiment as a sign of aging. Akin to "If the music is too loud, you're too old."

It's common to forget how bad it was way back when, when we were younger. Even in Roman times people wrote about "what's wrong with the younger generation?" Not saying I was younger in Roman times. Really.

IMO things are better now than they've been for a long, long time.
 
The problem today is people have such thin skin. Most people get offended way to easy, and the worst of it is the "offense" they have suffered really did no damage at all. I would bet most of us on here were raised to understand "sticks and stones" theory but somewhere along the way people got convinced the "words" really do physical harm too. I really can't stand how sensitive people are now and all the fake ass injustice being thrown around, I wish folks would just get over their shit and do something productive rather than try to get "likes" and sympathy on there facebook pages.
 
No I wasn't, for damn good, BIG reasons:
- The BJ was consensual
- The BJ was performed by an adult, to an adult
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EEOC regulations, even at that time, do not allow the CEO level employees to use their power to have any sexual relations with their low level employees. With such a power disparity and experience difference between management and intern renders the low employee incapable of consent. No, one would not be arrested for this conduct but would be fired by most corporations.

MM
 
No I wasn't, for damn good, BIG reasons:

- I didn't have to! HE FACED IMPEACHMENT!
- The BJ was consensual
- The BJ was performed by an adult, to an adult
- Moore is sub-human. I hope YOU are condemning him too.

You may have forgotten wjc was 27 years older than the consenting lady, who was the same age as his own daughter. If that’s cool in your world we definitely have different values.
 
No I wasn't, for damn good, BIG reasons:

- I didn't have to! HE FACED IMPEACHMENT!
Really? And did he miss a day of work, sitting behind his desk in the oral office? No, because the senate and house had a Dem majority who were majorly silent as the Liar in Chief tried to mislead all of us with his lies...
Oh wait, he did tell a little white lie, and he was caught....
and here's PRESIDENT Trump reminding Bill of his affairs...

So, let's see, you have a person who got a BJ in the Oral Office, lied about it and only came clean (no reference there to Monica's dress) after it was made public and that's no big deal, but let a person of the opposite party engage in some locker room talk and half the country is in an uproar.

Just sayin'
 
To everyone who is calling Trump a pussy grabber.

You do realize he was talking shit to another guy when he said that? That he actually didn't go around grabbing women's pussies?

That doesn't make what Trump said right, it is very regrettable, but let's put it in the context it deserves.
We don't know how much was talk and how much was action. At least one of Trump's accusers described exactly that--him putting his hand under her skirt onto her crotch. Women have accused, he has denied, and that's what we as the public know.
I would imagine hugging in the workplace is where sexual harassment started. How does one truly know if the hug is consensual? Maybe the one being hugged is simply returning the hug out of fear of reprisal.

When I was entering the workforce, handshake etiquette dictated a man should not offer his hand to a woman upon meeting. He should wait until she offers her hand to him. That way she determines whether or not she wants to make bodily contact. This was the proper way to greet a woman in the workplace.

Honestly, won't a simple handshake suffice in a work environment? Hugging and other forms of affection have no place in the office.
Unfortunately yes, hugging and other seemingly benign gestures can be problematic, and acceptability varies from region to region, company to company, individual to individual. Personally, I've found hugging to be much more accepted/commonly practiced in my little part of the south. And I follow what you're saying about the history of handshaking between men and women....as well as what RollerCoastr says about how that may be perceived more recently:
I don't at all agree that this sexual harassment flurry began with hugging, but I wouldn't be surprised if the offer of a handshake to all men in a room, but not the women may have started some gender inequality allegations!
It's a difficult thing to navigate: being inclusive and respectful (offering the "right" handshake to all) while not crossing what sometimes seems like an invisible line into inappropriate or unwelcome (death grip/power struggle, icky nasty pervy hand massage, or just plain unwanted).
My great aunt of 95 wondered about the country going to hell. "What's wrong with people these days?" That was in the late 60's. I take that sentiment as a sign of aging. Akin to "If the music is too loud, you're too old."

It's common to forget how bad it was way back when, when we were younger. Even in Roman times people wrote about "what's wrong with the younger generation?" Not saying I was younger in Roman times. Really.

IMO things are better now than they've been for a long, long time.
They are. There's work to be done yet, but things are indeed a lot better.
 
No I wasn't, for damn good, BIG reasons:

- I didn't have to! HE FACED IMPEACHMENT!
- The BJ was consensual
- The BJ was performed by an adult, to an adult
- Moore is sub-human. I hope YOU are condemning him too.

Boy I try to refrain from these conversations, but...

The BJ in my mind is significant because the person hired to have the highest office in this country stood up and lied in the court he is supposed to uphold. Any one of us would have sat under a jail for awhile after pulling something like that were we not the president. It also makes me quite sad.

Clinton was accused by two women of sexual harassment and another of rape. These were accusations that went away after paying huge sums of money to the accusers. Yet, when most people think of Clinton, they think about a cigar.

If Moore did what he was accused of he is a scumbag (and also a pedophile). If Clinton did what he was accused of he is also a scumbag. What wears me out is the notion that someone’s political views somehow exonerate the person of their choosing.

I often wonder how many of these current accusers jumped up and down defending Clinton about a BJ while they were being victimized themselves.
 
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You may have forgotten wjc was 27 years older than the consenting lady, who was the same age as his own daughter. If that’s cool in your world we definitely have different values.

yes, if they're consenting adults, their choices are their business IMO. If you have an age delta limit, ok. It's perfectly fine if we have different values.

I think Bill is quite the scumbag. I was asked about condemnation. Bill IS STILL getting it, while The Orange Idiot and the Hateful Pedophile are at the top of their games.
 
What wears me out is the notion that someone’s political views somehow exonerate the person of their choosing.

This should wear-out every citizen in this country, but instead of outrage over pedophilia, we see endorsements and a whole bunch of whataboutism about POTUS 42!?!?
 
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Pretty much sums up what is wrong with our Country...
 
You do realize he was talking shit to another guy when he said that? That he actually didn't go around grabbing women's pussies?

Not according to the 18 women who have accused him of harassment and assault.
 
You take issue with the term "snowflakes", but not a word about "sleaze ball and chief"? It seems to me that neither conservatives nor liberals have the market cornered on civility. Just sayin'.

Did I say I had an issue with it? NO, every one has their own opinion. As far as "sleezeball and chief" they seem pretty much self explanatory.
 
yes, if they're consenting adults, their choices are their business IMO. If you have an age delta limit, ok. It's perfectly fine if we have different values.

I think Bill is quite the scumbag. I was asked about condemnation. Bill IS STILL getting it, while The Orange Idiot and the Hateful Pedophile are at the top of their games.

Did you really use the word condem-nation while speaking of slick willy?
 

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