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It will be a very interesting first six months

FootballFan said:

The last major change we may to determining National Leadership was the 17th Amendment which passed in the early 1900's. Changed the way US Senators were elected.

Originally US Senators were choose by State Legislatures instead of popular vote within a state. US Representatives have always been popular vote based.

I am not convinced the 17th was a good change.

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The State Legislators where our local voice in electing our Senators and could be held accountable for a bad choice....

Congress needs term limits.

We had 80% voter turnout in our county. WI has voted Dem I think for the last 7 elections...not this time. The politicians and the television sets keep telling us everything is getting in pretty good shape, ya' but for who? Stockin' shelves at Walmart part time and handing burgers out the drive through window just ain't the same as the jobs we been losing.

I met a fellow that lost his job, he ended up with out insurance for a couple months, he said it was pay the house payment or insurance so he decided keeping a roof over his head was more important at the time. He found a new job and got back on his feet until tax time last spring when he was fined 1,500 bucks for not having the insurance. On top of that the financial problems stressed his marriage and a divorce is following....he's a bit down in the dumps right now....I'm not sure but I'll bet he voted for Trump.:smt043

FootballFan said:

The last major change we may to determining National Leadership was the 17th Amendment which passed in the early 1900's. Changed the way US Senators were elected.

Originally US Senators were choose by State Legislatures instead of popular vote within a state. US Representatives have always been popular vote based.

I am not convinced the 17th was a good change.

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Agreed, not a good change in hindsight, which is a good warning to us about unintended consequences from changes we may wish to make.

The framers intended the house represent the people and put then up for reelection every 2 years to make them responsive to the people.

The senate was to represent the state and its interests, hence the 6 year terms, as states also had recall mechanisms if things got bad.

Saw a good electoral college analogy. Like the world series is 4-7 separate games, the election is a contest of 50 separate elections. If one team scores a 10-0 win in the first game and loses 4 games straight 1-0 it matters not that the first team won the scoring 10-4, it is who won the most games...

MM

" By Jessica Chasmar - The Washington Times - Thursday, November 17, 2016


Former talk show host Jon Stewart slammed the “hypocrisy” of the left for supposedly rejecting stereotypes while painting Donald Trump voters as racist.
Mr. Stewart, former host of “The Daily Show,” sat down with CBS’ Charlie Rose in an interview aired Thursday to discuss his new book, “An Oral History” and weigh in on Donald Trump’s stunning Election Day victory.
“I thought Donald Trump disqualified himself at numerous points,” Mr. Stewart said. “But there is now this idea that anyone who voted for him has to be defined by the worst of his rhetoric.
“Like, there are guys in my neighborhood that I love, that I respect, that I think have incredible qualities who are not afraid of Mexicans, and not afraid of Muslims, and not afraid of blacks. They’re afraid of their insurance premiums,” he continued. “In the liberal community, you hate this idea of creating people as a monolith. Don’t look as Muslims as a monolith. They are the individuals and it would be ignorance. But everybody who voted for Trump is a monolith, is a racist. That hypocrisy is also real in our country.”
Mr. Stewart said Mr. Trump’s win was a not only a reaction to Democratic leadership, but to the Republican establishment.
“He’s not a Republican, he is a repudiation of Republicans,” he said. “But they will reap the benefit of his victory, in all of their cynicism and all of their — I will guarantee you Republicans are going to come to Jesus now about the power of government.”
Mr. Stewart, a liberal, appeared optimistic about the future of the country, calling America “exceptional” for its constant fight against “thousands of years of human behavior and history.”
“I don’t believe we are a fundamentally different country today than we were two weeks ago,” he said. “The same country with all its grace and flaws, and volatility, and insecurity, and strength, and resilience exists today as existed two weeks ago. The same country that elected Donald Trump elected Barack Obama.”"

JVM225 said:

Congress needs term limits.

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You Jest right?
How about qualifying the voter? Then term limits would be mute point.....
Or, how about holding the media responsible for separating opinion from news through law?
I would say, it's not about the perception and advertisement that qualifies of an elected official; rather, it's about voter knowledge and factual information to ensure a qualified elected official; right?

Imposing term limits seems a far simpler solution than trying to change the way the media operates or educate millions of voting Americans.

It would likely require a constitutional change to get term limits for congress. The best thing that could be done would be to remove ALL campaign finance restrictions to eliminate the incumbent advantage. This would have the advantage of almost eliminating PAC's and making the candidate accountable for most ads, as there would be no need to funnel money to places other than the actual candidate. All campaign finance regulation is about incumbent protection, not the peoples protection.

This election made huge strides in media management. How? Let's look at how we got here. We once only had three channels, a few magazines and, of course, newspapers. What we now call "the mainstream media" is the leftover legacy of that era when reasonably principled people tried their best to be truth tellers and not partisans. In this election season the veil was fully removed and the voters saw the reality of what the "the mainstream media" is. We are likely going back to the way it was in the past when the people understood the source and accounted for that in their interpretation of the information provided by all news sources, in reality all of them have some type bias in their reporting.

I will concede that it is concerning that many seemingly cannot or will not acknowledge the difference in straight news vs. opinion and commentary. Fox news has regularly been found in studies to be very close to 50-50 on their straight news reporting but because they give conservative voices a place to state their opinions their news is labeled conservative. If you wish to prove this wrong please post the salacious Trump stories Fox failed to cover and I will reply with the dozens of stories "the mainstream media" failed to mention about Clinton.

The voters saw through this which is why the Dems are attacking Facebook, Google and Twitter to try to put the genie back in the bottle. You don't think Obummer gave the world control of the internet directory to be nice did you? They hope to control the information flow they lost control of in this election, just like their information controlling brothers in China.

MM

All of you middle red state voters who were "sending a message" still happy with your tire iron?

Fake news? Your dude and his crew have perfected the art.

Well, we all get 3.9 more years of this. I hope you are looking forward to more turmoil.

Reading the anti Obama rhetoric on this site the past 6 years was always entertaining.

Not a lib D, actually a fairly conservative minded person who cares about our future, and our kids.

Fletch out.

Billfletcher said:

All of you middle red state voters who were "sending a message" still happy with your tire iron?

Fake news? Your dude and his crew have perfected the art.

Well, we all get 3.9 more years of this. I hope you are looking forward to more turmoil.

Reading the anti Obama rhetoric on this site the past 6 years was always entertaining.

Not a lib D, actually a fairly conservative minded person who cares about our future, and our kids.

Fletch out.

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Pretty happy here! I love that congress and the media don't know how to react to a president who is shaking up there status quo. You make it sound like killary would have been better! The Main Street media and liberals are one onto itself. Both are failing enterprises. Considering that this is only day 26 you should probably get a diaper and hold on, because ****s gonna change.


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I like what the stock market is doing.

I'm pretty happy with Trump and what he is doing. My 401k is even happier.

Take any major company, bring in a new CEO and senior leadership team and see how they do in the first few weeks. Of course in that case, there wouldn't be 24/7 media coverage with everyone looking to pounce on any tidbit of news or stumbles.

Yes, it's been a bit rocky start, but he is doing what he said he's doing and that's a good thing. As others have said, the economy is responding well so far.

I have many liberal friends who think it's the end of the world, but I simply ask them one question........ Since Trump has taken office, has your life changed at all? They stumble to admit is hasn't, but they counter with stories, guesses, and doomsday scenarios of what COULD happen. I prefer to wait to actually see the results, but for liberals that's not near as much fun as speculating and creating the thought of bad things to come. Our country is a really big ship and nobody (not even Trump) is going to steer it wildly off course.

Regardless of who you voted for, I think it's disgusting that the media takes every opportunity to skewer the President of the free world. It's fair game to report on his doings and even question his policies but there is a concerted effort to derail his presidency. Why?

The issues are larger than just the United States and the problems with the world right now have nothing to do with Trump. He did not create the chaos that we're witnessing. The world would still be in turmoil even if the election results were different. The problems we're facing are due to years of failed foreign and domestic policies, plain and simple.

Half of this great country voted for change because they didn't like the direction we were headed. Don't read this as me spewing pro-Trump... we're all Americans in this country and for sake our own future we need to support the Office of the President of the greatest country in the world. We're not a nation that is divided, we're a nation filled with hatred and too many people who think it's best to simply shut down a constructive conversation if they don't agree with your position. That is wrong. We will get nowhere if we don't maintain a constructive dialog.

Protesting and shutting down the conversation won't work. DO SOMETHING constructive -- don't just complain and post crap on Facebook.

Steve195 said:

Take any major company, bring in a new CEO and senior leadership team and see how they do in the first few weeks. Of course in that case, there wouldn't be 24/7 media coverage with everyone looking to pounce on any tidbit of news or stumbles.

Yes, it's been a bit rocky start, but he is doing what he said he's doing and that's a good thing. As others have said, the economy is responding well so far.

I have many liberal friends who think it's the end of the world, but I simply ask them one question........ Since Trump has taken office, has your life changed at all? They stumble to admit is hasn't, but they counter with stories, guesses, and doomsday scenarios of what COULD happen. I prefer to wait to actually see the results, but for liberals that's not near as much fun as speculating and creating the thought of bad things to come. Our country is a really big ship and nobody (not even Trump) is going to steer it wildly off course.

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Well said Steve.

Billfletcher said:

All of you middle red state voters who were "sending a message" still happy with your tire iron?

Fake news? Your dude and his crew have perfected the art.

Well, we all get 3.9 more years of this. I hope you are looking forward to more turmoil.

Reading the anti Obama rhetoric on this site the past 6 years was always entertaining.

Not a lib D, actually a fairly conservative minded person who cares about our future, and our kids.

Fletch out.

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It's this type of post that perpetuates the turmoil you're blaming on Trump.

Kind of a silly question actually...of course we're happy. The candidate we voted for is running the country and Crooked Hillary is not. No, we're not looking forward to more turmoil but it seems the only people perpetuating the turmoil are a bunch of sore losers who can't move on with their lives and accept the new President.

Take this thread for instance. The last post was on 12-14-16 and now a month later it's being brought back to life so you can throw a few stones back at the other side and ask if they're happy with the outcome.

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Mattis telling NATO its time for ever one else to pay up brought a smile to my face.We have paid with our solders lives and tax payers money while the rest of NATO gets off cheap where is the riots over this.Considering where we have been heading in the last 8 yrs. even if only half the things Mr. Trump wants to do in the next 4 yrs. get done we will a be better off.Heck he has already smacked the media upside the head nobody else had the balls to do that.

The more I see what is going on with the political class in DC from both parties, the oppressive far left domestic terrorists, the blowhards on the far right and the wildly dishonest media who only look to further their narratives the happier I am that Donald J. Trump is in the White House upending the whole crooked mess.