Redistribution of someone else's wealth

Don't forget osama's UN tax. One of the very few bills he sponsored the so-called "Global Poverty Act" would put a 0.7% tax on the entire U.S. GNP to be given, no strings attached, to the UN for "foreign aid." We have seen time and time again how the UN mismanages funds. The oil for food program, for example, was rife with corruption. No one went to jail. No one is accountable there. No one audits them. No one is allowed to audit them. 0.7% of GNP is about 60-70 billion dollars above the money we already throw away on foreign aid.

If that's not redistributionist, I don't know what is.

Best regards,
Frank
 
My boat is a 2nd house for tax purposes. if i'm upside down on my loan/ mortgage, can i get some help?
 
DCarl, No the country is not, and never was, "majority rule". It is a representative republic, which in short means we vote for someone we trust to make complicated decisions for the mass that does not have the time to examine the complexities of every issue. That is why political leaders are supposed to be leaders. Otherwise, we could just poll any issue and do what the population wants. Of course, we would not have fought WWII, would not have ended slavery, or allowed women to vote. Actually, we would not have even fought the American Revolution, as most of the time during that struggle there was well under 50% of the colonists' support.

If we were majority rule, I could propose a bill that would require Bill Gates to write a check to every American citizen for $5,000. Betcha it would pass, but would that be a good thing?
 
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TurtleTone said:
The redistribution of wealth has cost me FAR more than just my taxes this year. I personally paid for an entire home with the money I lost in the market because someone in the government decided that my tax money should go to an unqualified home buyer so they could live the American dream of owning a home that they couldn't afford. So they could get credit cards and buy stuff that they had no money for. That is where our tax dollars have gone and the cost of that is way beyond our taxes. It has brought the entire world economy to it's knees. Instead of telling the American people to live within their means, Obama tells them they have a RIGHT to live above their means and he's going to have the guy across town pay for it.
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:thumbsup: Except for the market part..me no likey putting money in other people's hands, and never will.
 
keokie said:
DCarl, It is a representative republic, which in short means we vote for someone we trust to make complicated decisions for the mass that does not have the time to examine the complexities of every issue. That is why political leaders are supposed to be leaders.
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Which begs the question- these "representatives" have been good the last few go-arounds?

The issue with our republic is that the representatives we currently have no choice on, are career politicians who have no understanding how this country was built, and are killing the small business owners to save the conglomerates that lose money, and continue a welfare system to even out the masses.
 
If you are wondering about what is happening and why, take an hour out of your day to read the short 1943 novel by George Orwell, Animal House. What happened on the farm is EXACTLY WHAT IS HAPPENING NOW.

Perhaps obama's nickname should be "Major.???
 
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We will be taxed under Obama, we will be taxed under McCain. I dont make $250K so I will see a $100 difference between the two. Who ever can eliminate taxes all together will be a magician and neither candidate is proposing that. Personally, I would like to see a flat tax across the board beginning at around $35-$40K, like Forbes was trying to do.

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Forgive me. . .but what kind of flat tax do you think would end up with if you currently make under $150K? If you make the flat tax revenue neutral, do you expect to be the "flat tax to be higher, or lower, than the 20-25% you pay now?

Let me give you hint: It won't be lower.

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Remember the Huckabee "value added tax" from earlier this year? It was 23%. As in a $100 item would have $30 of tax. $30/$130 = 23%. Most normal people would have called it a 30% tax. Most economists thought that a "revenue neutral" value added tax would have needed to been in the 45-55% range.

I have yet to see a real "flat tax" proposal that didn't feature similar fuzzy math.

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Redistribution of wealth, eh? How about the economic stimulous package proposed by Bush earlier this year? How about the Bank Bailout that we are doing now?

I have been struggling to see how McCain economic policies would be better than the current Bush economic policies.
 
Four Suns said:
You're an idiot.
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Why thank you! I have always aspired to be an idiot. It is a high honor. Thank you again.

Four Suns said:
I love it how some of the politicians either did not learn fractions and percentages or they are being dishonest and lying. My mother even told me some time ago she "pays the same tax as me." She doesn't pay any tax.... last time I checked.
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I too have problems with crazy politicians who have publicly spout stupid, unworkable math. Like the both current goof ball candidates that think they can balance the budget by merely eliminating pork spending.

Four Suns said:
Tax policies (and all other government policies) should be based on what/how you want people to behave. Frankly, a person making 20K per year buying a 300K house SHOULD pay more "tax" than a person making 100K per year because they are doing something that is risky for EVERYONE. Tax consumption and not success... You consume too much for how much you earn, you'll pay more tax. Period. Don't want to pay tax? Go live in the woods in a tee pee.
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I knew it. You are a raging LIBERAL. I bet you are one of those guys who thinks we **should** have a $5/gallon tax on gas to encourage conservation. It is talk like that that created the "Gas Guzzler tax" and the "HyBrid Car credit" and the 10,000 other stupid tax deductions that makes it impossible to do your own taxes in April.

Hey. . .you were the one with the Obama '08 campaign headquarters banners on his boat, right?
 
Comsnark,

McCain has said he wants to take a hatchet to the budget. That is far more than cutting pork.

Also, McCain does support some wealth re-distributionist policies. And where he does, most conservatives like me disagree with him. However, he supports far less of it and far fewer entitlement expenditures. That is why he will get my vote when it comes to domestic policy. I don't support all of McCain's foreign policy issues either, but I don't support practically any of Obama's. Soooo, pointing out flaws or inconsistencies with McCain does not make Obama look better to me.
 
Posted by Four Suns Tax policies (and all other government policies) should be based on what/how you want people to behave. Frankly, a person making 20K per year buying a 300K house SHOULD pay more "tax" than a person making 100K per year because they are doing something that is risky for EVERYONE. Tax consumption and not success... You consume too much for how much you earn, you'll pay more tax. Period. Don't want to pay tax? Go live in the woods in a tee pee.
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I already live in the woods, I got no where to turn. I'm screwed unless some rich guy sponsors me. I figure if my sponsor makes a million a year and I make 20K split equally we'd each be taking in over 1/2 mil a year. That's pretty good money and we should both be happy. No teepee for me, I deserve better than that..
 
Redistributing my wealth is no big deal. I’ve done it before, it went to my ex wife….

Oh yea and the lawyer….
 
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Ask that idiot Sarah Pallin how she got the 're-distribution' of the Republican campaign money to turn her from poor white trash into rich white trash!
 
Ask Obama how much his campaign spent on him.
 
ANYTIME said:
If you are wondering about what is happening and why, take an hour out of your day to read the short 1943 novel by George Orwell, Animal House. What happened on the farm is EXACTLY WHAT IS HAPPENING NOW.

Perhaps obama's nickname should be "Major.???
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I dont have time to read the book Animal House, but I did see the movie. It was great.

I love the line "Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"




Animal Farm 1945 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_Farm
 
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promocop said:
Ask that idiot Sarah Pallin how she got the 're-distribution' of the Republican campaign money to turn her from poor white trash into rich white trash!
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This must be your A$$ talking, your head should know better. :huh:

Sarah didn't get a penny. The Republican Party purchased these clothing items for her and she only accepted them with the caveat that they would be donated to charity after the election.

What are the pre-requisites to become "White Trash"? Is it having a different political outlook than you? If that description accurately describes Sarah, I would be honored to join this distinct group!
 
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I already live in the woods, I got no where to turn. I'm screwed unless some rich guy sponsors me. I figure if my sponsor makes a million a year and I make 20K split equally we'd each be taking in over 1/2 mil a year. That's pretty good money and we should both be happy. No teepee for me, I deserve better than that..
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The point is, everything you just described about yourself was done by the choices and decisions YOU made in life to be where you are right now, and no one else's.

Why should the "rich guy" give you anything?

Put it this way, you have 20k, do you want to split it with a homeless guy so now you have 10k?

Everyone should simply be responsible for themselves to a degree. I completely understand welfare in cases where the dad takes off, for severe medical reasons, and a few others. However, I see the losers near my work just a few blocks away. Four or five 20 to 30 year old guys hanging out on a Tuesday afternoon at 1:30 smoking cigarettes on a porch. WTF? Nothing like section 8 housing.
 
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