So you got yourself COVID vaccine. Think you can’t get COVID? Think again.

MonacoMike said:
Rodgers never said he was vaccinated, never lied to the NFL, he just told the press he was immunized, no crime telling the press what you want…
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Im immunized too. Naturally by my own immune system the way God intended.
 
firecadet613 said:
Look up pneumonia recovery times, bro. **Hack, hack, cough, cough**. Sorry @Dani-Lu, looks like I'm still hacking up stuff. You may want to get tested for COVID - :p
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Bro, my father is 83, got covid, then pneumonia, lasted 7 days at most. You are 36, with super human immunity - You may want to rethink your measure of immunity. Or, maybe you are not as young as you used to be.
 
Dani-Lu said:
Bro, my father is 83, got covid, then pneumonia, lasted 7 days at most. You are 36, with super human immunity - You may want to rethink your measure of immunity. Or, maybe you are not as young as you used to be.
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You, of all people, let your 83 year old father not get the vax? Or is this one of those vax fails that just don't happen :rolleyes:
 
El Capitan said:
Natural immunity is far superior because your body develops not only antibodies but also the t-cells. Big distinction.

I’ll let the sheep look it up for themselves as part of my edumacational contribution.
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Penn Study Details Robust T-Cell Response to mRNA COVID-19 Vaccines—a More Durable Source of Protection
https://www.pennmedicine.org/news/n...obust-tcell-response-to-mrna-covid19-vaccines


Protection offered by booster shot beats ‘natural immunity,’ study suggests
"What’s more, their median post-booster antibody level was three times higher than was typical for another group of people whose antibodies were measured a few weeks after getting their second dose of vaccine, when they’re close to their peak. And it was 53 times higher than that of a group of 76 unvaccinated people who had recovered from COVID-19 just two to six weeks earlier."
"“If I was going to Vegas, I’d bet on the booster rather than getting the virus to protect me,” Demonbreun said."
https://www.latimes.com/science/sto...ffered-by-booster-shot-beats-natural-immunity
 
Yet the CDC hasn't tested if the naturaly immune can spread covid - or has that changed in the last few weeks?

Oh wait, my bad. Study suggests from the LA Times...Forgive me:rolleyes:

edit: (Among their other findings: After receiving two doses of vaccine, people who’d already had an asymptomatic infection were typically no better protected than vaccinated people who had never been infected.)
 
OllieC said:
Yet the CDC hasn't tested if the naturaly immune can spread covid - or has that changed in the last few weeks?
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Not sure, but I suspect there hasn't been a focused test on the naturally immune spreading disease because it's common sense that, if an individual has a detectable viral load as confirmed by test, of course they are going to be able to spread it. There are more pressing needs to spend test money on. I also think the current experience in South Africa, which has low vaccination rates but extremely high (upwards of 80%) previous infection, yet is seeing big spread, shows the spread must be coming from the "naturally immune". In any case, it seems to be moot in that Omicron appears to be overcoming both natural and 2-dose vaccine immunity, at least with respect to infection and ability to spread.

OllieC said:
(Among their other findings: After receiving two doses of vaccine, people who’d already had an asymptomatic infection were typically no better protected than vaccinated people who had never been infected.)
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Yes, hence the recommendation for boosters. The boosters seem to confer some amount of infection reduction but, more importantly, greatly increase the already-impressive ability of the vaccines to protect against serious disease and death. Previous infection certainly seems to do some of this as well, but it looks like, just like the vaccines, if one wants to keep it, they need to have multiple exposures, each one a crap shoot as to whether one gets seriously ill and/or dies.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]
 
alnav said:
Not sure, but I suspect there hasn't been a focused test on the naturally immune spreading disease because it's common sense that, if an individual has a detectable viral load as confirmed by test, of course they are going to be able to spread it. There are more pressing needs to spend test money on. I also think the current experience in South Africa, which has low vaccination rates but extremely high (upwards of 80%) previous infection, yet is seeing big spread, shows the spread must be coming from the "naturally immune". In any case, it seems to be moot in that Omicron appears to be overcoming both natural and 2-dose vaccine immunity, at least with respect to infection and ability to spread.


Yes, hence the recommendation for boosters. The boosters seem to confer some amount of infection reduction but, more importantly, greatly increase the already-impressive ability of the vaccines to protect against serious disease and death. Previous infection certainly seems to do some of this as well, but it looks like, just like the vaccines, if one wants to keep it, they need to have multiple exposures, each one a crap shoot as to whether one gets seriously ill and/or dies.
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So you're implying there's no reason to test the naturally immune, while propagandists and in the MSM as well as the Government are calling people who are, dangerous to society and killing grandma? Yet they tested those that were vaccinated who were supposedly immune and discovered they could still spread the virus. Really, you're running with that inconclusive logic?

If the vax works, then why isn't it working?

CDC Definition of Vaccine until August 2021:
Vaccine: A product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease. Vaccines are usually administered through needle injections, but can also be administered by mouth or sprayed into the nose.
 
MonacoMike said:
Rodgers never said he was vaccinated, never lied to the NFL, he just told the press he was immunized, no crime telling the press what you want…
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That's now how the league or his team mates saw it. The word lie seems have been mentioned a few time's
 
Iprof said:
That's now how the league or his team mates saw it. The word lie seems have been mentioned a few time's
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When did he say "vaccinated". Many assume "immunized" means vaccinated. Hell, vaccinated no longer means vaccinated...
 
Question.
How many of you that are following this thread have listened to this? Came out on Saturday….
If you haven’t heard it, it is worth the almost 3 hours.

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firecadet613 said:
When did he say "vaccinated". Many assume "immunized" means vaccinated. Hell, vaccinated no longer means vaccinated...
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"I shared an opinion that is polarizing I get it and I misled some people about my status which I take full responsibility of," said Rodgers.
 
OllieC said:
So you're implying there's no reason to test the naturally immune, while propagandists and in the MSM as well as the Government are calling people who are, dangerous to society and killing grandma? Yet they tested those that were vaccinated who were supposedly immune and discovered they could still spread the virus. Really, you're running with that inconclusive logic?

If the vax works, then why isn't it working?

CDC Definition of Vaccine until August 2021:
Vaccine: A product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease. Vaccines are usually administered through needle injections, but can also be administered by mouth or sprayed into the nose.
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There's been a lot of studies of reinfection of the previously infected. Here's a CDC summary describing studies of both infection and vaccine-produced immunity:
Science Brief: SARS-CoV-2 Infection-induced and Vaccine-induced Immunity
In a nutshell, the studies show that infection-induced immunity occurs but fades much like vaccination-induced does. Also, that the degree of immunity is widely variable based on factors like the severity of the infection. The studies were also done before Delta, and now Omicron, both of which drastically change the playing field.
I gather you are looking for a study that looks for a naturally immune individual, then tests whether that individual can infect another person. Unfortunately, that's a very tall order let alone not permissible under ethics rules. I'm saying that, since we know from studies that reinfections occur and have transmissible viral loads, it's common sense to conclude that reinfected individuals can and do infect others. Real-world data from South Africa provides further evidence.

The vaccines seem to be working pretty much as designed, that is, to reduce serious illness and deaths.
 
alnav said:

The vaccines seem to be working pretty much as designed, that is, to reduce serious illness and deaths.
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Stay on topic. Yes, that is what I would expect, the CDC to have tested the naturally immune, seeing as moronic alarmists lump in the naturally immune with causing the spread of covid, daily.

In regards to the vaccines working -
Apparently not as defined by the CDC Pre-August of 2021:rolleyes:
 
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The next time it hit his place was post Vax. Not many got it that time and zero deaths. Don’t know why you think the vax doesn’t work. I know it seems a long time away from now, but you too will hopefully live to 70 or 80+. Go read some of your early posts, it was like the elderly didn’t matter.
 
OllieC said:
Stay on topic. Yes, that is what I would expect, the CDC to tested the naturally immune, seeing as moronic alarmists lump in the naturally immune with causing the spread of covid, daily.

In regards to the vaccines working -
Apparently not as defined by the CDC Pre-August of 2021:rolleyes:
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Not sure it matters since the CDC doesn't develop vaccines, the NIH does. Here's their definition, unchanged in recent times:
Vaccines stimulate the immune system to produce immune responses that protect against infection. Vaccines provide a safe, cost-effective and efficient means of preventing illness, disability and death from infectious diseases.
 
Dani-Lu said:
The next time it hit his place was post Vax. Not many got it that time and zero deaths. Don’t know why you think the vax doesn’t work. I know it seems a long time away from now, but you too will hopefully live to 70 or 80+. Go read some of your early posts, it was like the elderly didn’t matter.
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It's simple. If the vax works, then why all the restrictions on vaccinated people.

If I have the vax, if I walk around maskless and breath in some of that virus, I won't get really sick. So I'm good there. Check.
If the vax is likely to keep my fat arse out of the hospital, then if I get covid I won't fill up a bed needed for someone else. Check.
And if I can spread it while vaxed, it just encourages others to get the vax. Check.

Yet here we are, on the edge of the apocalypse, pitting the vaxed against the unvaxed. None of it makes any sense. It's not about public health. It's about something else.
 
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