Show me your anchor tackle

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This is what Tiara did. Of all our boats this was the easiest to anchor. We typically dropped the hook and set it inside of a minute or two. It has a swivel and the tackle withstood some pretty big blows. We overnighted in a number of heavy thunderstorms and never worried about the anchor dragging. I know swivels are a bit controversial but this set up never let us down. Retrieval was also a piece of cake.
 
Can’t see your safety line in pic, but swivel or no swivel, it should be connected directly to the anchor.
 
Dani-Lu said:
Can’t see your safety line in pic, but swivel or no swivel, it should be connected directly to the anchor.
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Thank you for that reminder. I will admit the older I get the less I use it. Don't use the foot switches much anymore either.
 
Dani-Lu said:
A friend of mine had his swivel snap while underway, causing him to lose his $1,200 stainless steel anchor. He had a similar set up to you. He now has a carabiner clipped directly to his new shiny anchor.
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Hmm, he got a better deal on his anchor than I did.:( I've only been using this setup for about a year. Definitely pros and cons to any rig. Was thinking the swivel was a good idea. But when I assembled it, I realized that I couldn't torque the hex bolts on the swivel. The more I tightened, the more I could bend the prongs. Ended up going with a freshwater/saltwater rated loctite. Not exactly thrilled with the concept. I check it most every week when washing the boat to see if it shows any signs of the threads backing out. Secure so far.

My previous boats (330DA & 410DA) both had the cable & caribiner set up. They were rope or rope/chain. This 550DA didn't. I'm guessing its due to being all chain from the factory.

We are prepping the boat for other destinations (not land locked) in the near future. I recently picked up a Fortress FX37 w/ 12' of chain as a spare/stern anchor and I still have the original galvanized anchor in my garage. Don't want to lose the shiney one but wouldn't be the end of the world.
 
I'm going to repeat for late readers...
There is nothing wrong with swivels and many advantages. A swivel should not be controversial.
Wither an all chain or mixed chain nylon rode we want the rode to be allowed to windup and unwind naturally as needed.

The only issue is swivels are not designed for side loading, they work straight line pull.
There should be a shackle or a few links of chain between the swivel and the anchor.

The shackle allows for side to side and vertical pivoting, the swivel would always have a straight line load.
No swivel should just fail or fall apart. That's either a lack of maintenance or poor initial setup.
They need to be disassembled every year or two depending how often you anchor.
Stainless steel is not perfect, crevice corrosion can occur cause pitting and lead to fractures or abrasive wear.
Size for size hot dip galvanized will have a higher rating then stainless, be careful not to go simply by chain size for swivels.

If the swivel is attached directly to the anchor you're adding 4" to 6" to the end of the anchor shank. And the eye of the shank is the smallest part of the shank with a hole in it. That's a lot of bending torque if the boat swings and/or if the anchor is dug in deep, stuck in some rocks and your pulling hard. And a lot of side torque on the pivot point/bolt of the swivel.

The Mantus incorporates the shackle for the anchor connection. The swivel experiences no side loading.
In addition any swivel will wear internally as you anchor in silt, mud, sand. Even with no abrasives steel on steel will eventual wear. A big feature of the Mantus is it easily dissembles so you can inspect the internal surfaces.
 
hughespat57 said:
I'm going to repeat for late readers...
There is nothing wrong with swivels and many advantages. A swivel should not be controversial.
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I sure hope not! I ordered the Mantus swivel last week! LOL

I also ordered a Rocna anchor last week, too, so I'm a little pissed about the Mantus 20% off sale! OK, not really. I determined I wanted the Rocna over the Mantus anyway. The sale would have made it a harder decision, but in the end I still would have gotten the Rocna.
 
hughespat57 said:
I'm going to repeat for late readers...
There is nothing wrong with swivels and many advantages. A swivel should not be controversial.
Wither an all chain or mixed chain nylon rode we want the rode to be allowed to windup and unwind naturally as needed.

The only issue is swivels are not designed for side loading, they work straight line pull.
There should be a shackle or a few links of chain between the swivel and the anchor.

The shackle allows for side to side and vertical pivoting, the swivel would always have a straight line load.
No swivel should just fail or fall apart. That's either a lack of maintenance or poor initial setup.
They need to be disassembled every year or two depending how often you anchor.
Stainless steel is not perfect, crevice corrosion can occur cause pitting and lead to fractures or abrasive wear.
Size for size hot dip galvanized will have a higher rating then stainless, be careful not to go simply by chain size for swivels.

If the swivel is attached directly to the anchor you're adding 4" to 6" to the end of the anchor shank. And the eye of the shank is the smallest part of the shank with a hole in it. That's a lot of bending torque if the boat swings and/or if the anchor is dug in deep, stuck in some rocks and your pulling hard. And a lot of side torque on the pivot point/bolt of the swivel.

The Mantus incorporates the shackle for the anchor connection. The swivel experiences no side loading.
In addition any swivel will wear internally as you anchor in silt, mud, sand. Even with no abrasives steel on steel will eventual wear. A big feature of the Mantus is it easily dissembles so you can inspect the internal surfaces.
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I couldn't find the manual but the Lewmar ad on Defender does not suggest a shackle/length of chain is required?

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Manufacturers say many things and make many claims. Not always a best practice. And of course the caveat “recreational only”. Does the storm care what you are?

So I guess we have a controversy…
 
Sorry I'm late to the party, been hanging on the hook for the last ten days in an area with no cell signal and no internet. It was was a greatly appreciated break.
I see you went with the Mantus swivel. If I thought I needed a swivel, that would be the one, and the Rocna. I think you will be happy with your decision.

Here's mine on the same boat as yours. Pardon the dirt, as I said, we're out cruising.
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I also have the Rocna. You should find that the anchor loads into the bow roller with no problem.
 
my3sons said:
Sorry I'm late to the party, been hanging on the hook for the last ten days in an area with no cell signal and no internet. It was was a greatly appreciated break.
I see you went with the Mantus swivel. If I thought I needed a swivel, that would be the one, and the Rocna. I think you will be happy with your decision.

Here's mine on the same boat as yours. Pardon the dirt, as I said, we're out cruising.
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I also have the Rocna. You should find that the anchor loads into the bow roller with no problem.
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Why two? I have the same set up, but only one.
 
my3sons said:
Sorry I'm late to the party, been hanging on the hook for the last ten days in an area with no cell signal and no internet. It was was a greatly appreciated break.
I see you went with the Mantus swivel. If I thought I needed a swivel, that would be the one, and the Rocna. I think you will be happy with your decision.

Here's mine on the same boat as yours. Pardon the dirt, as I said, we're out cruising.
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I also have the Rocna. You should find that the anchor loads into the bow roller with no problem.
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Thanks! If I remember from elsewhere you have the Rocna 33, right? I thought long and hard about that one, but in the end when with the 25 so no modifications are needed. It’s still a good 10 pounds heavier than the original anchor.

As for the swivel, that is for the first mate/Admiral. The ability to spin the anchor when stowing is a feature that makes her life simple and my life peaceful! Lol
 
HawkX66 said:
Why two? I have the same set up, but only one.
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The shackle on the chain is an alloy 3/8”. The threaded pin is the largest that will pass through the last link in the chain. That shackle’s bow is not large enough to freely rotate all around or in any direction if it is placed on the anchor shank, thus creating the possibility of side loads on the shackle. Placing a larger shackle on the anchor takes care of that and the two shackles allow the anchor to turn freely when entering the roller.
 
my3sons said:
The shackle on the chain is an alloy 3/8”. The threaded pin is the largest that will pass through the last link in the chain. That shackle’s bow is not large enough to freely rotate all around or in any direction if it is placed on the anchor shank, thus creating the possibility of side loads on the shackle. Placing a larger shackle on the anchor takes care of that and the two shackles allow the anchor to turn freely when entering the roller.
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Is the big shackle also alloy? What size is it (it’s bigger than the chain shackle) and why that size?
 
scooper321 said:
Thanks! If I remember from elsewhere you have the Rocna 33, right? I thought long and hard about that one, but in the end when with the 25 so no modifications are needed. It’s still a good 10 pounds heavier than the original anchor.

As for the swivel, that is for the first mate/Admiral. The ability to spin the anchor when stowing is a feature that makes her life simple and my life peaceful! Lol
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Yes, I have the 33kg. The 25 should be an awesome anchor for our boats, certainly better than the plow that was OE. I chose the 33 because I wanted a storm sized anchor as my main bower.
 
ZZ13 said:
Is the big shackle also alloy? What size is it (it’s bigger than the chain shackle) and why that size?
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The larger shackle is a 1/2” HT stainless with a more pronounced bow (there’s a name for it that I can’t remember)
I used that size because it was what was available with the bigger bow and when using stainless you have to go larger to get the needed working load limits because stainless is not as strong as alloy. Both shackles have a WLL of 4000lbs.
 
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