460 DA Owners Thread

Lurking for a friend.
We took their 2005 460 out yesterday, and 10' of forward gear out of the slip, the Starboard engine died. This is after at least a 10 minute warm up at the dock prior to engaging. These people are pilots that run you and I safely all over the world. He restarted, and all was well for the rest of the day. They stated that this has happened about 6 times now, I'll say randomly, but not always at the start of a run. Always after idling for a bit, like waiting for a bridge to raise, and then moving ahead. It always restarts immediately once it is apparent that the engine has died. Their mechanic says nothing is wrong, but I'm not sure they have tried to run it under load of forward gear. I have personally seen it happen. it was 85 degrees on a calm Florida day.
Gassers I know, and 3208s I know. Cummins, especially newer ones, no so much.
Any first guesses about where to point? Starting in this thread in case someone just went through this. Problems in models, and engines seem to replicate across owners.
TIA.

On the 480CE installed in the 2005 460, there is an issue called stall/stumble. On the boat I owned, it only reared it's head when starting a fully warmed engine. It would start then immediately die. On the second start attempt all was fine. I never had it die after a successful start. The fix was to have Cummins update the ECM. No problems after that. The ECM controlled 480CE idled fine at the set 600 as well as the slow idle of 550.
 
On the 480CE installed in the 2005 460, there is an issue called stall/stumble. On the boat I owned, it only reared it's head when starting a fully warmed engine. It would start then immediately die. On the second start attempt all was fine. I never had it die after a successful start. The fix was to have Cummins update the ECM. No problems after that. The ECM controlled 480CE idled fine at the set 600 as well as the slow idle of 550.
Thanks! There were some murmurs about a stall issue, but no one had a definitive answer.
I'll pass this along.
 
Hey guys,

Been a while since I’ve been on here. Does anyone have suggestions on where to buy replacement isinglass/canvas for the 5 panels around the helm? My 460 has a hardtop with a canvas camper top which needs to be replaced as well. I’m afraid that will have to be custom made to get replaced.[/QUOTE

Reach out to Gioia Sails Inc. 732-901-6770. They did allot of the original canvas work. You may can give them your Hull and they can pull original invoice and you can order from them. You usually have to add snaps etc. Good Luck.
 
I'll bet Frank and Captain Rusty could answer most if not all of your questions here.

http://www.clubsearay.com/index.php?forums/ask-the-captains.69/

Thanks Mitch. Unfortunately, I'm only a lowly silver member, so I can't see the page you refer to. I'll probably upgrade my subscription.

But anyway - the types of questions I have may only be answerable by people that have owned these models. For instance: are there any nagging design flaws that became apparent after owning/operating for a while? I like to do my own maintenance, how is engine maintenance, I notice that they don't have a built-in oil change pump - has anyone installed one. Are all maintenance items easily accessible, particularly impellers? Any issues with the exhaust configuration?

Scott
 
Thanks Mitch. Unfortunately, I'm only a lowly silver member, so I can't see the page you refer to. I'll probably upgrade my subscription.

But anyway - the types of questions I have may only be answerable by people that have owned these models. For instance: are there any nagging design flaws that became apparent after owning/operating for a while? I like to do my own maintenance, how is engine maintenance, I notice that they don't have a built-in oil change pump - has anyone installed one. Are all maintenance items easily accessible, particularly impellers? Any issues with the exhaust configuration?

Scott

Actually it looks like your silver has expired. I'm sure the Captains can help with some, if not all of your questions or concerns.
 
Anyone here have a 2017 or newer 460 DA? I'm looking at one and I have a few questions.
So I toured the 2017 460 DA today. Great layout, but two issues come to mind. Not a lot of deck storage for things like lines, fenders and longer things like brushes and gaffing hooks. Where do you put ice to keep it frozen? There’s no icemaker and the fridges have tiny little freezer compartments.
 
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Hi Everyone,
Well, for us in Northern Michigan it's boat storage time...which means fun project time for 7 months...So, I started with the new dinghy we bought in late July. It needed some tunes in it. I know this isn't an upgrade to the 460...but it is an upgrade to what hangs off its back end. :)

A JL Audio Bluetooth receiver connected to a 500 x 4 JL amp with two M-6 Coax and an M-8 sub. The black with titanium grilles really matched the dingy colors perfectly. And since we were going that far we might as well get the back-lit JL speakers with full spectrum color control...LOL
 
After the dingy upgrade I decided to follow suit from a couple others on here and re-directed the sink drain overboard as opposed to the sump. I have grown tired of pouring coffee and wiping dirty plates out the back end of the boat. All that to avoid cleaning the sump...well, those days are over!! As much as I hated drilling a drain hole in the port side, I really hated the sink issue and its limitations.

So, here it is all done!!
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Nice job on the thru hull but how much does that tender weigh? I assume it is on a hydraulic platform, GHS or other?
Must say, you always have some interesting projects and get great results.
 
Nice job on the thru hull but how much does that tender weigh? I assume it is on a hydraulic platform, GHS or other?
Must say, you always have some interesting projects and get great results.

The dingy is an aluminum hull and weighs 550 lbs. with a 25 HP Yamaha. I purchased it in Oakville Ontario...yep, drove right by you in July to go pick this up! Its a Highfield and we purchased it at CO2 Inflatables. (They have a store in Midland too).

The lift is similar to the Hide-A-Davit system...hydraulic for sure. The platform is stationary and the lift is mounted under it. Pretty slick set up....
 
Thanks Mitch. Unfortunately, I'm only a lowly silver member, so I can't see the page you refer to. I'll probably upgrade my subscription.

But anyway - the types of questions I have may only be answerable by people that have owned these models. For instance: are there any nagging design flaws that became apparent after owning/operating for a while? I like to do my own maintenance, how is engine maintenance, I notice that they don't have a built-in oil change pump - has anyone installed one. Are all maintenance items easily accessible, particularly impellers? Any issues with the exhaust configuration?

Scott
Quick update:
Upgraded my CSR account to gold so that I could again ping the captains.
Had a conversation with both Frank and Rusty, including a long phone call with Rusty. Man these guys are such a great resource.
That conversation led me to avoid a newer 510DA and put in an offer on a 2017 460DA. Supposed to close on it next week and drive it around Michigan from Grand Haven to Detroit area. Praying for the weather to remain stable, or she may end up in storage in West Michigan for the winter. BTW: unlike my previous comment, this model does have a reverso oil change pump, the manual did not include it, but I confirmed it is on board.

Does anyone know the year that SeaRay redesigned the 460 from the old school sweeping Sundancer look to the newer boxy European look? I'd like to know who might have experience with this layout. I'm more of a fan of the old school look, but the cabin layout of the newer 460 really fits us perfectly and allowed me to get everything I wanted without going to a 50+ boat (which would have required a marina change).

Here are some pictures of the new vessel:
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The dingy is an aluminum hull and weighs 550 lbs. with a 25 HP Yamaha. I purchased it in Oakville Ontario...yep, drove right by you in July to go pick this up! Its a Highfield and we purchased it at CO2 Inflatables. (They have a store in Midland too).

The lift is similar to the Hide-A-Davit system...hydraulic for sure. The platform is stationary and the lift is mounted under it. Pretty slick set up....

Excellent! Aluminum is the way to go. I have a Walker Bay console from '08 with a 30hp Nissan 4 stroke and probably weighs about the same, maybe slightly more. It was the lightest tender that I could get at the time. We will probably take it on our trip to Georgian Bay next summer but generally I leave it behind on the big trips when we go to Mackinac / Charlevoix, into "your lake". We did Sturgeon Bay this past summer and shot across to Frankfort. Sorry, didn't have time to stop at Elk Rapids though.

Our boat gets lifted this afternoon and into warm hibernation. Oh well.
 
Quick update:
Upgraded my CSR account to gold so that I could again ping the captains.
Had a conversation with both Frank and Rusty, including a long phone call with Rusty. Man these guys are such a great resource.
That conversation led me to avoid a newer 510DA and put in an offer on a 2017 460DA. Supposed to close on it next week and drive it around Michigan from Grand Haven to Detroit area. Praying for the weather to remain stable, or she may end up in storage in West Michigan for the winter. BTW: unlike my previous comment, this model does have a reverso oil change pump, the manual did not include it, but I confirmed it is on board.

Does anyone know the year that SeaRay redesigned the 460 from the old school sweeping Sundancer look to the newer boxy European look? I'd like to know who might have experience with this layout. I'm more of a fan of the old school look, but the cabin layout of the newer 460 really fits us perfectly and allowed me to get everything I wanted without going to a 50+ boat (which would have required a marina change).

Here are some pictures of the new vessel:
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The 460 that we all have was made from 1999-2005. (There was another 460 in the early nineties with CAT power.) The model changed very little over those years with Cummins, CAT or Volvo power and was replaced by the 48 Sundancer. I believe that the "new" 460, the one you describe with the doors, only came out in the past two years. Very nice boat and it gives more inside "salon" living than the previous 460. Yes, the lines are different.... Congratulations on your purchase!
 
That's great! We take ours everywhere and enjoy tooling around in it wherever we go. Last summer when we headed to Frankfort then Green Bay we stopped at South Manitou and dropped it to cruise around the entire island. If you could see all the "tracks' on my GPS this summer you would get a kick. It became a mission to make sure I splashed the dingy just to get the tracks on the Garmin...lol

Have a great winter! The last 2 boats were finally put into my storage facility yesterday so the door is closed for the winter.
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Excellent! Aluminum is the way to go. I have a Walker Bay console from '08 with a 30hp Nissan 4 stroke and probably weighs about the same, maybe slightly more. It was the lightest tender that I could get at the time. We will probably take it on our trip to Georgian Bay next summer but generally I leave it behind on the big trips when we go to Mackinac / Charlevoix, into "your lake". We did Sturgeon Bay this past summer and shot across to Frankfort. Sorry, didn't have time to stop at Elk Rapids though.

Our boat gets lifted this afternoon and into warm hibernation. Oh well.
 
Quick update:
Upgraded my CSR account to gold so that I could again ping the captains.
Had a conversation with both Frank and Rusty, including a long phone call with Rusty. Man these guys are such a great resource.
That conversation led me to avoid a newer 510DA and put in an offer on a 2017 460DA. Supposed to close on it next week and drive it around Michigan from Grand Haven to Detroit area. Praying for the weather to remain stable, or she may end up in storage in West Michigan for the winter. BTW: unlike my previous comment, this model does have a reverso oil change pump, the manual did not include it, but I confirmed it is on board.

Does anyone know the year that SeaRay redesigned the 460 from the old school sweeping Sundancer look to the newer boxy European look? I'd like to know who might have experience with this layout. I'm more of a fan of the old school look, but the cabin layout of the newer 460 really fits us perfectly and allowed me to get everything I wanted without going to a 50+ boat (which would have required a marina change).

Here are some pictures of the new vessel:
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2ihmuZefFvqeEFLN7
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Congrats on the new boat...You might want to check which harbors will still be open on this side of the pond for fuel. I know that our harbor closes Sunday and many others close on October 15th which is only a few days away. I am pretty sure Leland closes on the 15th as does Charlevoix, Traverse City & Elk Rapids.
Not sure about Frankfort but I am guessing their municipal dock may be open for fuel as there are still quite a few fisherman going out.

Just a thought!!
 
Congrats on the new boat...You might want to check which harbors will still be open on this side of the pond for fuel. I know that our harbor closes Sunday and many others close on October 15th which is only a few days away. I am pretty sure Leland closes on the 15th as does Charlevoix, Traverse City & Elk Rapids.
Not sure about Frankfort but I am guessing their municipal dock may be open for fuel as there are still quite a few fisherman going out.

Just a thought!!
Great point. You're correct, that is a big challenge. Found Charlevoix, Mac City (by appointment) and Port Sanilac will provide fuel through the end of the month, so that should get us home, with some buffer.
 
Quick update:
Upgraded my CSR account to gold so that I could again ping the captains.
Had a conversation with both Frank and Rusty, including a long phone call with Rusty. Man these guys are such a great resource.
That conversation led me to avoid a newer 510DA and put in an offer on a 2017 460DA. Supposed to close on it next week and drive it around Michigan from Grand Haven to Detroit area. Praying for the weather to remain stable, or she may end up in storage in West Michigan for the winter. BTW: unlike my previous comment, this model does have a reverso oil change pump, the manual did not include it, but I confirmed it is on board.

Does anyone know the year that SeaRay redesigned the 460 from the old school sweeping Sundancer look to the newer boxy European look? I'd like to know who might have experience with this layout. I'm more of a fan of the old school look, but the cabin layout of the newer 460 really fits us perfectly and allowed me to get everything I wanted without going to a 50+ boat (which would have required a marina change).

Here are some pictures of the new vessel:
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V2QtP7kPEHrQtxN26
2ihmuZefFvqeEFLN7
mKGBpQuJx7FmN7WU9
EAu1aoZs9ML85xiz9
a4qX1oRb9U4YxAou7
iVPPHFgBWrXUwda48

Congrats, I told you those guys would hook you up with best info.
 

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